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I pre ordered one of the brand new Juice modules with Attitude monitor for my 2nd gen 24v. This is a brand new box that is just NOW hitting the market, and is even barely in the warehouses across the country.

According to Edge this is supposed to be a kick butt module, identical to the comp as far as programming but is capable of working with both the Attitude and A2 monitors. With this there are a bunch of features that other Juice modules for the other years and brands have had, along with some new features that only the 2nd gen 24v trucks get, like turbo timer, fuel pressure monitor, and a few other small odds and ends.

Should be here Monday, I plan on getting it in as soon as possible with plenty of pics and how I like it.waytogo Thanks again Jason at www.dieselnutmotorsports.com (http://www.dieselnutmotorsports.com) for your help!
http://www.edgeproducts.com/dodge_ISB.html
http://www.edgeproducts.com/images/FordJuicePlatinum.jpg

We have them in stock now. Installing our first one today. We will let you know how it goes. waytogo

Wish I would've waited...

Very nice product. Gave a nice power gain, easy install, Attitude worked great. Let us know if any of you guys want one.

I pre ordered one of the brand new Juice modules with Attitude monitor for my 2nd gen 24v. This is a brand new box that is just NOW hitting the market, and is even barely in the warehouses across the country.

According to Edge this is supposed to be a kick butt module, identical to the comp as far as programming but is capable of working with both the Attitude and A2 monitors. With this there are a bunch of features that other Juice modules for the other years and brands have had, along with some new features that only the 2nd gen 24v trucks get, like turbo timer, fuel pressure monitor, and a few other small odds and ends.

Should be here Monday, I plan on getting it in as soon as possible with plenty of pics and how I like it.waytogo
http://www.edgeproducts.com/dodge_ISB.html
http://www.edgeproducts.com/images/FordJuicePlatinum.jpg


So.......is it installed yet?

:mad: :mad: :mad: Like whenever I am waiting for an important package..... UPS managed to misplace it in the warehouse here in my town. It is supposedly out for delivery as I type. believe me, I'm waiting by the door, the Ram is in the shop waiting for it.:D

I finally had to go down to the UPS warehouse to pick the stupid thing up myself, since they for some reason couldn't manage to get it to my house.:rolleyes:


The install looks fairly strait forward, but is also a fair amount of work. I was hoping that the Juice somehow read the fuel pressure and tranny temp through the ECM....nope, sensors have to be installed.

Oh well, I will be installing it tommorrow.

Got it in today, took about 2.5 hrs. I am fairly impressed with it, I like all the features of the attitude addition. I am still trying to get all the presets adjusted.

My tranny seems to not like level 4 and 5 much, very disapointed.

My tranny seems to not like level 4 and 5 much, very disapointed.
dont worry my new and 'improved' 48RE doesn't do any better but its still cool to have the extra power.

dont worry my new and 'improved' 48RE doesn't do any better but its still cool to have the extra power.

I've already talked to my local tranny guy. He said he left the line pressure not real aggressive so it would be a little smoother. We are going to bump it up, and it that isn't enough he is going to exchange my single disk for the triple disk version. The internals seem to be doing great, holding well and I can't even hardly get above 160* oil temps in town empty. It's just my lock up that is having a hard time with all the torque from 1,600-2,300RPM's.

I've already talked to my local tranny guy. He said he left the line pressure not real aggressive so it would be a little smoother. We are going to bump it up, and it that isn't enough he is going to exchange my single disk for the triple disk version. The internals seem to be doing great, holding well and I can't even hardly get above 160* oil temps in town empty. It's just my lock up that is having a hard time with all the torque from 1,600-2,300RPM's.

What symptoms does it give you? A shudder?

A shudder at part throttle. It doesn't shudder at all under WOT on level 3, level 4 and 5 will though. I obviously don't have enough line pressure at part throttle to hold the converter. I am pretty sure I am going to try out the BD pressure lock and then if that still isn't quite enough I am going to swap the single disk converter for a triple disk. It's still new enough that my trans guy said he would credit me back on the single disk.

Soooooo....lets see some tire smoke!!!!!burnout :D

We'll see what it does with the new Suncoast Valve body installed. That should takle care of some of your issues!

Quick question.. on the first power level of the comp/Juice with attitude how does it compare with the Edge EZ? Is it equivalent?

Yes, the settings are relatively the same......Edge advertises 40 hp for level 1, but most guys report the same performance from an EZ (60 - 65 hp) as they do an untapped Comp in EZ mode (equivalent to level 1).

I thought it was level 2 (60HP) that was about the same as an EZ, or the box untapped. I can't hardly feel a gain on level 1, and barely on level 2. I run mine on 4, 5, and 6.:stir:

so do you get the gains of levels 3+ from a tapped comp? What would be better to do first, stage two injectors from DTT or the juice?

so do you get the gains of levels 3+ from a tapped comp? What would be better to do first, stage two injectors from DTT or the juice?

What are you driving? H.O's like injectors and S.O's like programming. With either engines, I'd still take the Juice. More power, more adustability, and you can remove it fairly easy.

I have a 2001.5 Cummins. How can you tell if it is a HO?

I have a 2001.5 Cummins. How can you tell if it is a HO?

Is it a 5spd? 6spd? or auto? You have the same year (specifically the later year) as me.

If it's a 6spd ONLY, it's an H.O. If it's a 5spd or auto it's an S.O.

Ok, in another thread I see that you mentioned you have a mag hytec deep trans pan. Your truck is an S.O. and I would highly reccommend the Juice.

Yeah I have pretty much decided on doing the juice now. How does the juice tap into the bosch injection pump? Is it an electronic connection? or is it mechanical? Also, anyone want an EZ?

I guess it would be both.... It uses a T-tap (a good one) to pierce the pump wire.

It's a pretty sturdy t-tap.

I'm happy with my Juice/Attitude

wish i would have waited to now i need some gauges or bite the bullet and get the juice with att..... still deciding but not happy:doah: :mad:

It's a nice setup. Love mine.

does anyone have pictures of the monitor installed in the cab and does anyone have it on the a-pillar and what egt's do you get running 70 empty and in the quarter:popcorn:

http://towrig.com/photos/data/510/Picture_0341.jpg

I run about 600* running 70 empty. In the 1/4 I could get it stupid hot if I wanted. I can hit 1350* a little past the 1/8th mile mark. HY's suck...

thanks dude
waytogo

I ended up going with a comp box instead (I figured I already had the guages on the A-pillar so why replace them). Question I have now is on level five I dont feel a lot of speed come with all that power. Is my Tranny slipping that much? My auto only has 50k miles on it. Any advice??

You don't have a signature so I don't see what year you have.

Likely, your stock turbo can't flow enough air to really make the top end of level 5 flat out run. Are you dirty on your top end with level5?

Looks good

Oh yeah, sorry about that I just added one. I installed a jet in the wastegate from Banks that got me up to 30+ lbs of boost. The thing is I never really noticed a power increase with that but it did 'cap' my EGTs at 1200. I was reading on the BD website that the amount of boost doesnt matter, it is how efficiently the turbo delivers the air. Would that have anything to do with it? On a 3rd gen they said they got more power with a more efficient turbo boosting less. Any validity or just a good sales pitch for one of their turbo's?

That is completely correct.

Take a large class 8 big rig, they have roughly 12L engines. Most are around say 400HP average.

We can make our little ISB's make 500HP no problem, but if you tried to lug around 80K in a semi with it doing the job of a 12L, it would be extremely innificient and would eventually destroy the engine even though you are theoretically making more HP with a B series.

Same idea, you can make your little HY 35 pump out 35psi or so, but it's going to hate life and make that innificiently.

What happens, when you over compress air it gets hot, your HY is trying to pump too much air at that PSI and it produces hot air. You'd almost be better off at 25psi where the turbo is designed for and will still produce a cooler air charge.

Big turbos that are designed to build 30psi build cool air. So, 30psi from a BD Super B turbo that is nice and cool will make more power than 35psi from an Hy35 that is hot air.

So it may not be the tranny slipping as much as it really isnt making the power advertised due to the 30+ lbs of boost out of the HY?

Are you running an upgraded turbo to run with your Juice/Attitude?

I have no idea what your trans is doing or anything like that, for obvious reasons.

I am still running a stock HY35, even at stock 22psi. I plan to one day do something different turbo wise, mainly due to I'm pungently frugal. rotfl My cheapest route that I basically plan on is an HX35, it has a larger exhaust housing than our HY's and does fine at around 30-32psi of boost. 30psi out of an HX35 should be enough to efficiently burn all the fuel the Juice gives you on top end with level 5 (level 6 in my situation).

The main reason why I never j-hooked my HY to to 30psi is drive pressure. You can only shove so much air respectively through the tiny exhaust housing on the HY, making the compressor side push more air only makes the internal PSI of the engine go up (if you shove more air into something than can come out the other end, it creates compressed air). This is called drive pressure. Too much drive pressure and it works on your head gasket. In real high performance applications, too much drive pressure can even cause a valve to float.

Kinda regretting it now.. oh well. Is there any real potential for harming anything running the chip on level 5 with 30lbs of boost (other than the turbo and tranny)?

Now that I just said that I realized how dumb that sounds, thats some pretty important hardward :doah:

It's hard on a stock tranny thats for sure, watch out for that lockup.

You probably will be fine with your turbo.

i aint good with trannys yet..so why look out for the lock up

i aint good with trannys yet..so why look out for the lock up

I would think the clutches in the tranny should be able to handle the power going from 1st to second and to third, but when the converter clutch goes to lock up it will likely want to slip. You'l feel the engine drop some RPM and at the same time you will start to get a shutter shake coming out of the truck. This should be your lockup clutch spinning on the backing plate trying to hook up.

If you have overdrive locked out, it will be the last shift you feel. After a while, you'll get the hang of it and be able to drive around the converter, meaning when you have the eardge to feel some power you'll get on it, let it shift through 2nd and 3rd, and as lock u is about to hit, you decrease pedal pressure by about 25% or so to keep it from slipping lockup.