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Tell me us what turbo you are using and why you like it?

Stock, not sure I like it but it's what came from the factory... for now.

stock because i do not yet have the money for the BD twins and intercooler :stir:

Stock ~ because you haven't sold me a better one yet waytogo


hehehehe

No plans to change my Stock setup...as of yet..time will tell :popcorn:

Stock.

Were the reports of failure for the BD for the dmax exaggerated? I heard lots of bad info, but I did see BD step up and take care of problems.

John

On edit, I see you were asking about Dodge stuff....

Yes the failures were minimal, but the Engineers from Borg Warner were prompt to fly in and rectify the issue. They did some extensive testing and came up with the following...


For Immediate Release

Media Contact:
Brian Roth
BD Diesel Performance
(800) 887 5030


BD DIESEL PERFORMANCE ANNOUNCES NEW TURBO OIL SUPPLY SYSTEM FOR GM DURAMAX DIESEL

Engineers at Borg Warner’s AirWerks division and BD Diesel Performance recently completed an extensive LB7 Duramax diesel engine and turbocharger performance analysis.

The test indicated that the S300’s flow-matching is superb for 6.6 liter Isuzu Duramax engines with modified fuel curves developing around 42 lbs. of boost. Under the right conditions with proper tuning, the engine is capable of delivering 550 rear wheel horsepower (rwhp) with exhaust gas temperature (EGT) in the 1200-1300 degree F range (with spikes of up to 1500 degrees F). The S300’s wheels and housings are properly matched, with good delta pressure ratios.

Over the course of several trucks, it was discovered that, in some applications, the stock turbocharger oil supply meets minimal oiling for the Borg Warner S300 turbo (used in BD’s SuperMax kit). Further, oil coming from the camshaft oil gallery in the engine’s valley also picks up extra heat and any material from the cam bushings. Reported spun Cam shaft bushings that resulted in cutting off turbo oil supply and turbo failures were also confirmed.

Because the SuperMax turbo system is designed for engines developing 550 rear wheel horsepower (far beyond what is considered a stock application) BD has found it beneficial to draw oil directly from the oil pump supply gallery to meet extreme performance and towing applications.

Kits produced in June, 2006 include a new oil supply line (part # 1462328), which contains a check valve to ensure a quick supply of oil to the turbo right at engine start-up. Turbochargers sold prior to this date can be upgraded, and BD recommends this upgrade if the truck is used in high performance applications and/or run at high engine rpm/load conditions.

BD Diesel Performance, (800) 887 5030; www.dieselperforrmance.com

using stock turbo cause its all i can afford

Still running an HY-35. I am trying to get enough money together to buy a low mileage used II Phat Shaft 62/14 but I imagine it will sell long before I have the cash in time.

Probably will settle for a slightly larger HX35, but preferably I'd love to get an Industrial Injection Super Phat Shaft 62/14, I hear they are the cats meow.

Thanks for the response!

Stock for now... While it's being discussed: I use my rig as a daily driver and, of course, a tow rig. I have no plans for going crazy at the track and trying to get into the 12's or anything like that. My plan is to slowly add components a piece at a time, to eventually be in the 450 hp/800 tq range. Exaust is done. Gauges are next, after that I plan on adding the following in this order:

-AEM Brute Force intake system w/ DryFlow filter
-ATS Arc Flow
-ATS Exaust Manifold
-Quadzilla Xzillaraider (100 hp)
-Aftermarket intercooler (haven't made up my mind on which yet)
-Turbo (Single, one reliable for towing and daily driving, which ever will get this package into desired power range)
-Injectors (which HP range, I don't know, but matched good for turbo)

I would appreciate some suggestions on the above upgrades (which do you recommend) and will this combo work, especially if I do it a piece at a time? This will take a year or 2 to afford, so will any of the above be a problem with towing (for example, if I have everything done but turbo and injectors)? Thanks! Appreciate your advice!

My comments may be a little bias to BD but for good reason, I really believe in our product, we have been doing this longer than most with the exception of maybe Banks. My comment may also be unfair to some of the manufactures you have listed.

I would be happy to give you my "2 cents" via private message or preferable via our toll free number. I will say you are wise to do the injectors after the turbo upgrade and it is always better to do your upgrades in stages.

Your stock turbo will run out of it efficiency range at the 60-80HP range, at that point you start to produce hot expanded air that can rob you of HP and over-spin the turbo. This does not mean your will damage your rig by running that tuner at 100HP, it will just not run at peak efficiency, watch your EGT gauge!!!!

Dave- You have a PM enroute. Thanks!

Stock for now... While it's being discussed: I use my rig as a daily driver and, of course, a tow rig. I have no plans for going crazy at the track and trying to get into the 12's or anything like that. My plan is to slowly add components a piece at a time, to eventually be in the 450 hp/800 tq range. Exaust is done. Gauges are next, after that I plan on adding the following in this order:

-AEM Brute Force intake system w/ DryFlow filter
-ATS Arc Flow
-ATS Exaust Manifold
-Quadzilla Xzillaraider (100 hp)
-Aftermarket intercooler (haven't made up my mind on which yet)
-Turbo (Single, one reliable for towing and daily driving, which ever will get this package into desired power range)
-Injectors (which HP range, I don't know, but matched good for turbo)

I would appreciate some suggestions on the above upgrades (which do you recommend) and will this combo work, especially if I do it a piece at a time? This will take a year or 2 to afford, so will any of the above be a problem with towing (for example, if I have everything done but turbo and injectors)? Thanks! Appreciate your advice!
Well, for one if you are making 450HP you will be long past 800ft lbs, more like between 9-1000ft lbs.

If you can't flow enough air, lots of fueling mods just hinder a truck because you are always backing out of it because of too much fuel.

To get up to 450HP (thats a lot) you will need a TST PMCR with a Superchips flashpack downloader and an Industrial Injection 62/14 turbo. You don't even need sticks IMHO for that kind of power.

High Tech Turbo and Industrial Injection's Phat Shaft line are awesome.

Stock but I just toasted my first one. How much heat does it take to melt the compressor side aFe intake rubber boot????

PDR HX 35/12 with a BHT3B/26 hanging below it..Better response than a single that would be sized to handle my fuel level...Towing our 9k travel trailer boost sits around 14-16lbs + and will jump to 20+ with just a touch of the go pedal..
For me I will never use a single for towing and daily driving again..

Rick

I have heard decent results with PDR set ups, Piers is the man who designed those kits, I know him personally, he is a good man, he use to work for BD Power. Unfortunately he now longer works for PDR and is no longer in that industry.

You know Piers...never count him out..He is still out there in the bushes..:D :D . I also am good friends with Piers and Lousie..great folks to sit around the dinner table with..

Rick

Oh I know piers, he will be back :stir: never had the pleasure to sit around the dinner table with him but definitly a good guy waytogo

twins is what i want... but cash is not what i have... so... i dunno. i may end up buying the large turb for the twins setup, then when the time comes and money allows get the rest of it. i know it will be laggy though....
Grant

The bigger turbo as a single your egts will go up at towing speeds...It wont come into play until you are in the higher rpm range..It depends on your fueling..a hybrid might help for now until you run across the big turbo for the bottom end. Something like a BHT3B/26cm or a S400 which either one of these can be had for pretty cheap if you look around. When I am putting a set together I have been buying new Garretts(BHT3B's) from a company back east...for less than $600..These are new with all the parts and pieces..Here at the shop we have been know to piece the package together for a customer that is on a limited BOMB budget(Better off modified baby)..Over a period of time we order what he can afford and then once he has all his parts..then we put it together...
Just a thought..

Rick

FYI, We do offer the twins as an upgrade kit, you can buy the single Super B and upgrade it to the twins at a later date. We have a Single to Twins upgrade P/N which makes it east to upgrade.

Hey cool! I am the only that voted for BD Twins!

I think you all know how thrilled I have been with my turbos!waytogo

If not, I'm thrilled!rotfl

I'm running an H2e

PDR Towing Twins...PDRHX35/12 and a BHT3B/26..

Drives and responds like a sports car!

Rick

stock..havent gotten around to upgrading yet

Thanks for chiming in whiterocket!

SPS 62/14 here. Wish I would've done it sooner!

got a question about gettin a aftermarket turbos, do alot of them have core charges like most of the injectors ive seen? the core charges (usually a chunk of change) or exchanges (dont have my original equipment anymore) kinda discourage me from doing certain stuff to my truck, in case i ever trade it in (definatley going to be a while) i want to be able to put it all original pieces back on and back to stock.

got a question about gettin a aftermarket turbos, do alot of them have core charges like most of the injectors ive seen? the core charges (usually a chunk of change) or exchanges (dont have my original equipment anymore) kinda discourage me from doing certain stuff to my truck, in case i ever trade it in (definatley going to be a while) i want to be able to put it all original pieces back on and back to stock.

Most of the after market turbo chargers including our Super B's are not rebuilt from stock chargers so they DO NOT come with a core charge. I would not recommend a turbo that was just modified from your stock configuration and came with a core charge.

cool thanks

I sould be getting a Holshot T50 soon, but now a stock garrett turbo

Maybe BD would sponsor a free give-away. :D
Just kidding...
However I do like the unit, once I need to upgrade.waytogo

You never know, keep watching the Forum and maybe one day you will see a Super B give away??? :stir:

Unfortunately, I'm here more often than I read e-mail.
I think I have another addition.:doah:

yes me too, I monitor this Forum and about three others... at least I get paid for it :D

Nice thing about having Dave here is that if anyone has any trouble, you got a fast line to answers, and in the open forum it may answer someone else's question.

I see I am still the only one running the BD twins. There has to be someone else out there with em?

and answering the questions is easier when I have the engineers here backing my answers up. waytogo

Perhaps if I had a twin turbo give-away on the forum it would encourage some sales :stir: now that is teasing!! ;)

Sooo, what's the HP TQ numbers on adding twins? Also what would it do for lowering EGT's? Damn, my tires would not last long.

Sooo, what's the HP TQ numbers on adding twins? Also what would it do for lowering EGT's? Damn, my tires would not last long.

The main benefits will be lowered EGT's, faster spool up and endless top end performance. The gains are going to vary greatly depending on what fueling mods are currently being used. The more inefficient the truck is running with the current turbo set up the more efficiency and power you will pick up with twins.

Do you know how much your twins would lower EGT's on a stock 5.9?

Whats stock? Someone want to get the definition of that for me?rotfl


Seriously, you want about 450hp to effectively spool the BD twins. You might get by with less, but really 450 is pretty easy to hit with an Edge Juice or TST by itself. If thats all you have really you should look at the Super B single, which is also the top turbo in the twins kit. If you want more, you can upgrade to the twins later. I have had both and let me tell you, I would not have traded my single for anything (but the twins) on my 03. I pulled and raced and hot rodded the heck outta that thing and it just kept asking for more, kinda like these twins are.

stock is what those of us who dont have the loot to buy twins have:doah:

I can not answer that question, you would not want to run twins on a stock truck, there is not enough turbo drive pressure to effectively spin a set of twins. You would probably see an increase in EGT's on a stock motor running twins. The 5.9 Cummins needs to be 450-500HP before considering a set of BD twins.

Thanks, good to know, what about stock with my smarty on the 170 HP level? :eek:

they way diesel nuts truck sounded i definately want a set :) who knows maybe ill hit the lotto or tear it up on the ncaa tourney pools lol

Yes I work here and am still saving for my twins, I could just have them take a little of my paycheck every month but that won't work either considering my fiance works here in payroll and sees my cheques :doah:

considering my fiance works here in payroll and sees my cheques
Ahhh, dipping your doughnut in the Company coffee I see. :doah:

LMAO, I have heard alot of them but not that one yet rotfl

lmfao thats a good one

i did not see any arctic air twins on the poll, is anyone running them? they seem to be the best bang for the buck. if any vendors can match the price let me know, because i am planning on purchasing twins in june:stir:

Running the stocker right now, but I'm saving for a Super Phat Shaft 62. Nothing against BD, but when I contacted them, they said you didn't offer anything that would work with my turbo-mount Jake Brake. The SPS-62 is a bolt in and works with my J-Brake.

Need to do something. With the "hot" juice on 5, my poor stocker will hit 42-43 lbs of boost :doah: !

You are correct when you say we do not offer a turbo mounted brake for the after market turbos with 4" outlets. This does not mean anyone should settle for a lesser quality brake. We do offer inline remote mounted brakes that work just as great as the turbo mounted brakes, I actually prefer the remote mounted ones, it keep the clutter down under my hood.

Actually, I already have the Jake Brake. Went on 2 weeks after I bought my truck 3 years ago. If I was to buy a BD turbo, I couldn't use my present J-Brake.

I totally understand, I installed my turbo mount brake on my last truck about 6 months previous to us releasing the Super B Turbo. I ended up selling my turbo mount and putting a remote mount one on :mad:

I think we are looking a developing the turbo mount style for the Super B and 4" turbos but realistically a good 6-12 months away before we will have all the models years ready.

You should be able to find a home for your Jacobs and be able to install teh Inline BD for a decent price. Really, its the better way to go. Unfortunatly, most learn that after they go turbo mounted.

BD builds a darned good brake.

Stock for now. Before I can do a turbo I need to handle the power. Need to do a tranny, EFI live alone can kill it, expecially with my tune right now so EFI and a Turbo will surly destroy it. waytogo I felt descriminated against since it was a dodge question.

Okay, so I may be just a little biased...

I know the feeling Eric :cool:

A Industrial Injection Super Phat Shaft 62/14 for me.

twins is what i want... but cash is not what i have... so... i dunno. i may end up buying the large turb for the twins setup, then when the time comes and money allows get the rest of it. i know it will be laggy though....
Grant

Fill in your sig so I can recommend the right charger for you, do not go too BIG, you want efficiency not size!

I run 450RWHP through a Super B Single with NO EGT's issues, NO surge issues and still very fast spool up! Don't sacrifice anything when you do not have to.

I run a Super B Special. This is going be to used as my top turbo in a set of twins. This turbo by itself is AWESOME. Has great street mannners. Lites fast and moves a lot of air.

What are you planning for the other turbo? what is your HP goal?

Not sure if you know but we have an R850 Twin Kit for the 03-07 but can be adapted to the second gens. The kit is made up from the Super B Special and a modified S400 and is rated for 600-800HP. We offer the kit as a complete twins kit or an upgrade if you already have the Special, which you do.

Dave

I am going to use a modified s400 I already have on the bottom. I have talked to you about the kit in the past just don't have the $$$ to spend on the rest of the kit.

I am going to use a modified s400 I already have on the bottom. I have talked to you about the kit in the past just don't have the $$$ to spend on the rest of the kit.

I can relate, still saving for my twins upgrade at staff price :o

Stock HX-35 right now, but have high EGT's towing at altitude, so looking for something bigger.