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Thought this might be of interest.

http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/technology/energy-economy/

I don't think Willie's gonna be to happy about that:mad:

WTF?:eek: I thought that was the idea of biodiesel...LESS emmissions. Sounds like some something JR Ewing would be behind...rotfl :doah:

The ban was lifted a few weeks ago.. TCEQ has given the biodiesel industry yet another year to prove biodiesel does not raise Nox Levels.

Kind of reminds me of Al Gore.. count 'em again until you get the result you want.

I'll dig around for a link and post it later.

poor Willie they always rain on his parade.

...Kind of reminds me of Al Gore.. count 'em again until you get the result you want...
Not funny.

may not have been funny to you but it is true

Hmmm that is weird. Itleast they gave it a second chance.

Hmmm that is weird. Itleast they gave it a second chance.

Well, there's so much money coming from the biodiesel lobby, there's no way they wouldn't.

I'm really OK with folks using biofuels if they want to.. what I would prefer is that the people sellling the stuff would be more forthcoming about the long term effects it has on emissions and engines..

There's too much at stake regarding Nox emissions, for the issue to be swept under the rug like it has been..

To be honest, i havnt seen anywhere around my area were u could buy biodiesel, or if they do i havnt noticed. I also noticed they dont sell much ethanol around here.

To be honest, i havnt seen anywhere around my area were u could buy biodiesel, or if they do i havnt noticed. I also noticed they dont sell much ethanol around here.

E85 pumps are few and far between, but pretty much all gasoline has a 10% blend of ethanol already in it now. It's being used as an oxygenate, replacing MTBE.

may not have been funny to you but it is true
No it isn't.

There are lots of companies and rtd running their fleet vehicle on biodiesel in the denver areas. there is also quite a few of us making biodiesel at home from WVO. It doesn't hurt your vehicle if its make right but does have a solvent effect on the crud in your tank if your vehcle is a couple years old. emissions are less and the NOX that everyone is talking about is no more than the amount the plant originally used in growing. It just a cylcle. big oil just doesn't like competion. On a side note Exon just bought a biodiesel plant capable of making a millon gallons of biodiesel a year. Bio diesel is a viable option to fossile fuels and the infastructure is already in place unlike most of the other crappy ideas like E85,hydrogen and electric which use more energy to make than they produce. yes my truck smells like french fries and for less that a $1 a gallon it cost way less to. there is no perceptable loss in performance either.

E85 pumps are few and far between, but pretty much all gasoline has a 10% blend of ethanol already in it now. It's being used as an oxygenate, replacing MTBE.

Ya my dad told me that.

i have yet to see any bio pumps anywhere.

arizona, california, idaho, washington, oregon, utah....

NOTHING!!!!

i have many, many questions about the alternative fuel sources that are being knocked around, one of which is what will the price of corn on the cob be if the fuels are corn based?

and if the fuels are corn or some other veg base, can you imagine not only the cost of veggies at the store, but what a HUGE land grab will be coming if some corn or veg fuel gets the full nod! massive re zoning's will take place for "fuel progress land".

any piece of land that can can grow a crop of corn will be absolutely outlandish in price. it wouldnt be long untill there isnt anymore bare land for sale to the public no matter what the cost.

and doesnt it make sense that if our abundance of energy the country is running off of sits in wide open fields, you wont need a bomb or airplane to take it out. just a match or some heavy vegacide.

i am ALL FOR NEVER BUYING ANOTHER BARREL OF OIL FROM THE MIDDLE EAST but it is not going to be easy.

and lets face it, the big oil companies have MASSIVE fortunes invested and they just cant shut there doors. this would adversely effect the economy just shutting down the doors of big oil.

they are not spending huge bux right now for recourse development that puts them out of buisness.

but in all fairness, right or wrong, the oil companies and there employees should be given the go ahead on any alternative fuel sourse that is PROVEN to do the job of fossil fuels. that would help not to adversely impact the economy and give them a reason to use there recourses for the cause.

see! told ya i should be president!! :stir:

We're currently in Montrose Colorado.They sell Bio diesel here.Its 35 cents a gallon higher than regular.Regular diesel is 3.45.Wonder why its higher?

We only have one distributor around here for bio fuel and I still have yet to see any E85.

Bio & E85 available here, haven't bought any...

i have yet to see any bio pumps anywhere.

arizona, california, idaho, washington, oregon, utah....

NOTHING!!!!

i have many, many questions about the alternative fuel sources that are being knocked around, one of which is what will the price of corn on the cob be if the fuels are corn based?

and if the fuels are corn or some other veg base, can you imagine not only the cost of veggies at the store, but what a HUGE land grab will be coming if some corn or veg fuel gets the full nod! massive re zoning's will take place for "fuel progress land".

any piece of land that can can grow a crop of corn will be absolutely outlandish in price. it wouldnt be long untill there isnt anymore bare land for sale to the public no matter what the cost.

and doesnt it make sense that if our abundance of energy the country is running off of sits in wide open fields, you wont need a bomb or airplane to take it out. just a match or some heavy vegacide.

i am ALL FOR NEVER BUYING ANOTHER BARREL OF OIL FROM THE MIDDLE EAST but it is not going to be easy.

and lets face it, the big oil companies have MASSIVE fortunes invested and they just cant shut there doors. this would adversely effect the economy just shutting down the doors of big oil.

they are not spending huge bux right now for recourse development that puts them out of buisness.

but in all fairness, right or wrong, the oil companies and there employees should be given the go ahead on any alternative fuel sourse that is PROVEN to do the job of fossil fuels. that would help not to adversely impact the economy and give them a reason to use there recourses for the cause.

see! told ya i should be president!! :stir:

we have more oil in this country than we know what to do with, yet we wont touch it... we could drop the prices of fuel, and that would drop the prices of everything else in the long run, down to 1.00 a gallon again if the country wanted to.

we throw away more corn in a year than most people can imagine. its the stalks used as well, not just the ear. on top of that, corn is CHEAP to grow when you want it for grain, not for tables.

oil co's need to help themselves out and i understand this... how about helping everybody out and just going with the flow and doing some research as well, then making thier own bio fuel? oh, and soy is a better crop to use... easier to grow as well....:stir:

we have more oil in this country than we know what to do with, yet we wont touch it... we could drop the prices of fuel, and that would drop the prices of everything else in the long run, down to 1.00 a gallon again if the country wanted to.

we throw away more corn in a year than most people can imagine. its the stalks used as well, not just the ear. on top of that, corn is CHEAP to grow when you want it for grain, not for tables.

oil co's need to help themselves out and i understand this... how about helping everybody out and just going with the flow and doing some research as well, then making thier own bio fuel? oh, and soy is a better crop to use... easier to grow as well....:stir:
Corn fertilzer has been targeted as the main source for nitrogen in rivers which run into the Gulf of Mexico and cause dead zones in which nothing can live.

Corn fertilzer

k, corn still makes great fuels... and other things... i assure you finding other ways to make fertilizer is a viable soloution...

oh, and there are 3 bio diesel pumps my dad uses in the eugene oregon area to the guy i quoted earlier

i have yet to see any bio pumps anywhere.

arizona, california, idaho, washington, oregon, utah....

NOTHING!!!!

There are at least 15 bio-diesel pumps within 20 miles of my little corner of Idaho. I've run nothing but B5 since they took sulfur to 15 ppm.

100 Proof

The biggest threat from corn-based fuels now is Brazil is cutting down more Amazonian rainforest for planting corn and that's in addition to slash-and-burn clearing for livestock and other plantings. The Amazon cannot sustain this kind of use and abuse for very long. It is a very important CO2 absorbtion area and provides 25% of all the oxygen released on Earth.

Kind of reminds me of Al Gore.. count 'em again until you get the result you want.
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I think Texas recently changed some tax rates for Bio-diesel. I was up in Austin a few months back at an outfit called Austin Biofuels I think. The guy said they were shutting down since they were not able to be competetive anymore. Not sure what is going to happen but as with anything, big gov't will tax anything the max they can to get money.

As for ethanol, I think it's a total waste. takes more total energy to grow, harvest & produce than it returns.

The biggest threat from corn-based fuels now is Brazil is cutting down more Amazonian rainforest for planting corn and that's in addition to slash-and-burn clearing for livestock and other plantings. The Amazon cannot sustain this kind of use and abuse for very long. It is a very important CO2 absorbtion area and provides 25% of all the oxygen released on Earth.


They use sugar cane not corn.

COSTA RICA, Brazil - The other side of ethanol, vilified as a cause of soaring food prices and hunger, can be seen in Brazil, where farmers are pushing down energy costs - both at the pump and at the electricity meter.

Twenty thousand acres of sugar cane are sprouting through the red soil around this small town, destined for fuel tanks across the world.

It's the start of a $2.7 billion ethanol project put together by Brazil Renewable Energy Co., or Brenco, a private venture financed by U.S. and Brazilian investors.

They plan to export a billion gallons of ethanol a year by 2015 - enough fuel to offset demand for 65,000 barrels a day of oil.




About 350 miles to the east, in fields surrounding the town of Flores de Goias, a firm from Irving, Texas, TruEnergy Renewable Fuels, is putting together a $523 million ethanol project that could offset 8,700 barrels a day of oil demand.

With world oil consumption running at 86 million barrels a day, the ethanol produced by these two private companies will amount to a modest alternative contribution.

Global ethanol production, however, is already greater than the yearly increase in world oil demand.

Without ethanol, high oil prices would be higher still.

"Demand for oil is increasing every year, but reserves are more and more difficult to find," said Brenco founder Henri Philippe Reichstul, a former head of Brazil's Petrobras oil company.

"We have an alternative that is also the fastest way of reducing your emissions from cars without changing anything," he said. "To me, it looks like a no-brainer."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.brazil15jun15,0,3664365.story