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RJF's Red Cummins
08-05-2005, 02:55 PM
Lets see how many folks wear their seatbelt. Be honest. :)

gravdigr
08-05-2005, 03:30 PM
The only reason I wear mine is I don't want a ticket. I'd prefer driving without it but I can't afford a fine. Should I become trapped in a burning vehicle or have my legs sheared off in an accident (would have happened once had I been wearing my seatbelt and not been thrown free of the vehicle) well...I know Johnny Cochran is probably available to handle my case waytogo

RJF's Red Cummins
08-05-2005, 03:48 PM
I don't wear mine and got pulled over one time for it. I had my window down in my K5 blazer with my arm hanging out sitting at a light. After that I fixed my A/C, tinted my windows just a little, and kept them up. Cops could never see in well enough between the tinted windows that are already small because of it as an older truck, and the glare off the glass in the summer and water on them in the winter. I need to get the winders tinted in my Dodge now.

My cousin burned alive in her car because the seatbelt wouldn't release. My biggest fear is burning alive. Because of those two things I will never wear it. I'd rather go through the windshield and get plowed over by a truck than burn. :doah:

billygoatyj
08-05-2005, 04:06 PM
I almost always wear mine. I was tought to as a kid and it just became habit, especially when i drove my jeep everyday for years without doors. My rear has come out of the seat a few times and had it not been for the seat belt i would have fallen out and a moving jeep without a driver is a bad thing. There are plenty of crashes where it's better to have it and those were it is better not to so i guess it's just the luck of the draw. Some people say they don't like to take the time but I just do it while I wait for the "wait to start" and "water in fuel" light to go out. But I also don't think it should be law as it would rarely affect the saftey of anyone else, exept for my example in the jeep but then again i think those were all off road and that is another topic. I've also heard several cops say they don't enforce it becouse they don't wear it either.

BadDog
08-05-2005, 07:06 PM
I always wear mine, and my truck does not move until every passenger is buckled, period. Those who don't buckle, walk... :D I'm not paying tickets just because someone else decided not to wear it, and while I HATE THE FREAKING GOVERNMENT FOR GETTING INTO MY BUSINESS ON YET ANOTHER POINT THAT SHOULD BE PERSONAL CHOICE, I do believe that it is a much safer way to travel. And I speak as someone who has been in several bad wrecks back in the day when I raced both legally and illegally...

So, those of you who wheel, do you wear belts while wheeling? Same deal, I've got 4 points in the buggy and it does not come out of Park untill all belts are fastened...

joez
08-05-2005, 07:36 PM
It depends. When i do drive my Toyota on the street, always, mainly because it has no doors and i dont want to give the cops any more reason to pull me over and ticket me. In the K5, i almost never wear it. I am in the small percentage that had their life saved by not having one on, so i almost think that it subconsciously affects me not wearing it.

When wheeling i always wear a belt, and as soon as the cage is done in the Toy it will have harnesses for both seats.

Super Trucker
08-05-2005, 07:40 PM
So, those of you who wheel, do you wear belts while wheeling? Same deal, I've got 4 points in the buggy and it does not come out of Park untill all belts are fastened...

The one wreck I was in and not wearing at least a lap belt we were saved by the 8' cabover camper. Got "T"boned by a drunk and the camper acted as a big crumple zone when the truck rolled.
For wheeling I won't move the rig without a lap belt on and most times its the full harness.

And about not being able to release the belts, I have a floding knife cliped to my right pocket and can get it out even if I'm belted in.

RJF's Red Cummins
08-05-2005, 08:43 PM
So, those of you who wheel, do you wear belts while wheeling? Same deal, I've got 4 points in the buggy and it does not come out of Park untill all belts are fastened...

I always wear it when I'm wheeling the K5.

willyswanter
08-05-2005, 09:15 PM
Always absolutely 100% of the time no matter what, same with passengers. I even put it on when moving my truck 20 feet in the driveway. If feel weird if I sit in the truck without the belt on, feels like I'm missing something...

Wheeling I always have at least the lap belt on before the engine starts, if it's getting sketchy I put on the shoulder belts but not on the easier stuff since I like to hang out the door to see where I'm going.

stallion85
08-05-2005, 10:45 PM
Always Always Always!!! I could never live with myself if someone in my vehicle died because I didn't ensure they were wearing there belts.

I am in the AirForce and live on the base, if you get caught not wearing your seatbelt or anyone in your vehicle not wearing it you lose your driving privilages on base for 30 days and get to stand in front of your commander and explain why :eek:

I feel weird if I don't have mine on. I also feel it sets a good example to your children when you don't ever relax the rule ;)

Brisk
08-06-2005, 12:29 AM
ALWAYS period.

MTMike
08-06-2005, 12:54 PM
As long as I can remember, my dad never moved the vehicle until everyone was buckled, and I'm learned that from him. You don't ride in any vehicle I own, or vehicle I'm driving without a seatbeld. Period.

-Mike

Torquer
08-06-2005, 04:38 PM
Don't even start up any rig till my belt is latched. My buddy who's a local cop has shown me enough pictures of splattered faces/bodies into windshields to last me a liftime.

Hard to believe that some do NOT wear one. :stir:

Mr. Beer/Cummins
08-06-2005, 08:33 PM
YES!!!! You only have to head butt one windshield to learn. :doah:

When I'm around on the farm and back roads, no I don't wear it, but on the major highways, YES always.

Hintz
08-07-2005, 01:59 PM
I know Johnny Cochran is probably available to handle my case waytogonope, no he couldnt b/c hes dead, but I never wear mine I know its bad but I dont, but I always wear it when Im wheeling

Seventy4Blazer
08-07-2005, 03:28 PM
your options suck.... rotfl

i wear mine as it is the law and not a cheap ticket in cali, BUT if in a parking lot just moving things around i dont. 99.9% of the time i have it on, but am not scared to leave it off in certian situations.
Grant

ram350005
08-12-2005, 11:50 AM
I usually wear mine. but the new vehicles these days will always remind u if u dont have it on. waytogo

Dunks Performance
08-12-2005, 12:26 PM
yeah I wear it, don't like them but can't seem to go anywhere without putting it on. I have been in a few wrecks, the first one I was in I broke the windshield of a jeep grand with my head and I was wearing my belt, I always wonder what would have happened without it??? I mean if you can break the damn windshield with it, might be ugly without it.

Burt4x4
08-17-2005, 02:32 PM
Yup, I'm with the allways crowed. Been in several wrecks and allways had it on. One time the my body lurked forward so hard I bruzed my ribs from the seat belt. I'm sure my face woulda been part of the dash/windshield on that one for sure.
If a fire were to brake out and I couldn't get the belt to release I sure as heck wouldn't let that stop me from escaping, if I could help it that is...I too have a knife 100% of the time for cuttin stuff waytogo

yellowxj
08-18-2005, 07:22 PM
I wear mine, take a few laps in a V8 bomber race car and hit some one good (or the wall :doah: )...ever see some one break a leg pushing the brake pedal into the floor...bend the steering wheel trying to brace against the impact...or see a kid who was "G'd" back (reclined driving) hit another car at 55 mph, he wasent wearing a seat belt, the air bag and his reclined position let him slide straight down to the pedals, broken pelvis, leg's, foot, etc etc...the only thing more pitiful then his feeble attempt to pull him self out from under the steering wheel was that he killed a pregnant girl in the other car, wonder if he would have seen her pulling out in front of him (that part was her fault) if he had been sitting up...she was wearing her seat belt but the impact on her drivers door...you know...

about the buckles failing...we made sure to use the old metal seat belt parts for our window nets in the bomber cars, ones with plastic housings or parts were rumored to melt or fail in a fire, forcing you to crawl out a new and different route

chevytrucknut
01-19-2006, 01:40 PM
i never wear mine because its a bull sh*t law and they can give me a ticket ill rip that one up in their face just like the last one!!!!

Nitelord
01-26-2006, 09:33 AM
Anytime the truck hits the dirt, road or otherwise the belt is on. Both my kids have booster seats with belts and the seats are tethered to the cab frame. I only had one unfortunate accident, I rearended a mini van that actually did pull out in front of me and then stopped. I had to replace an air bag on the passager side. Mine never went off. The seat belt was all I had. I never go out without it on. It's just habit now.

4054x4
01-27-2006, 02:25 PM
i wear my seatbelt for 3 reasons. first, it is just a habit that i dont even think about. second, it is the law and i cannot afford a ticket. third, it can save your life! do you think that auto manufacturers would waste their money if they didn't help the safety of the vehicle?

Subdriver
01-27-2006, 06:53 PM
I always wear mine, and my truck does not move until every passenger is buckled, period. Those who don't buckle, walk... :D I'm not paying tickets just because someone else decided not to wear it, and while I HATE THE FREAKING GOVERNMENT FOR GETTING INTO MY BUSINESS ON YET ANOTHER POINT THAT SHOULD BE PERSONAL CHOICE, I do believe that it is a much safer way to travel. And I speak as someone who has been in several bad wrecks back in the day when I raced both legally and illegally...

So, those of you who wheel, do you wear belts while wheeling? Same deal, I've got 4 points in the buggy and it does not come out of Park untill all belts are fastened...

I'm with you, but...

It doesn't bother me that the Government gets in my business for the following reason. Statistically, it is much much safe to wear a seatbelt than not, fears of burning or drowning aside. I could care less if all you guys who don't wear seat belts don't wear them EXCEPT, I pay your medical bills when you get in a crash via my insurance rates. If the Government would pass a law saying insurance companies don't have to pay for medical costs to those not wearing seat belts who are injured in a crash, nor do local communities, then I really could care less... but, since they won't, it doesn't bother me that there are seat belt laws.

I've seen some horrendous crashes on the track and the driver's walk away as obviously they were wearing their belts. I personally can't imagine driving without my belts and as you mentioned, won't drive if my passengers won't buckle up.

One man's opinion...

crashguy
01-30-2006, 12:30 PM
I could post some great pics to convince people to wear their belt. How about a guys scalp that looks like a toupe (hair piece). Took 161 stitches to sew his scalp back on.:doah: Or the guy who hit a dump truck with a Dakota (t-bone type). He saw the impact coming, so he was hard on the brakes (4 wheel lock up). Problem is - at impact, his body moved forward - hard and fast and the foot on the brake pedal did not. His body tried to pass his lower leg. The brake pedal lever was stonger than his tibia, fibula, and ankle. His leg had a U shape at the bottom, his foot was pointed so he could see the bottom of his own shoe! OUCH!:popcorn: :eek: :doah:

In my field of work, we have a phrase, and a mascot. The phrase is "Our day begins when yours ends!":o and the mascot is a vulture.;) All kidding aside, no seatbelt for you = job security for me. I have enough work due to drunks and motorcyclists. Wear your belt.

BadDog
01-30-2006, 03:03 PM
I could care less if all you guys who don't wear seat belts don't wear them EXCEPT, I pay your medical bills when you get in a crash via my insurance rates. If the Government would pass a law saying insurance companies don't have to pay for medical costs to those not wearing seat belts who are injured in a crash, nor do local communities, then I really could care less... but, since they won't, it doesn't bother me that there are seat belt laws.
Good point, I agree... So, I'll amend to say that gov't should get out of our lives AND reassign personal and individual responsibility to all adults. waytogo

the_sandman_454
02-02-2006, 12:25 AM
If I'm just in a parking lot, etc I'll usually have it on. If I'm out on the road anyplace I always have it on and so do passengers. Last summer a friend's wife and her sister were driving a dune buggy about 45-50mph on a back road, when the quick disconnect racing style steering wheel decided to detatch itself causing the buggy to veer off into a large ditch and nearly roll over backwards after jumping most of the ditch. Thankfully *that* time they both had their 4 point harnesses on, and they walked away, midly sore and a little shaken up but otherwise fine. It still bothers me how bad that could've turned out without the seatbelts. Definitely not a good feeling when all you can do is watch and hope they put on the safety gear... Since you never know when a freak accident may happen (obviously, or you'd be able to prevent it or avoid the situation if you could know), it's a good idea to plan ahead and use the safety gear provided.

Torquer
02-03-2006, 01:43 PM
My daughter was rear-ended last week, sitting still at a stop light minding her own business...............kid hit her about 25 mph..............no skid marks, just was not paying attention. Without belts she would have taken a steering wheel in the chest and her friend would have gone face first into the windshield. Don't think I would have wanted to see the damage after that.

For every ONE incident you hear "trapped in a car because of the seat belt" there are likely thousands of "seat belt saved life and/or more severe injury". No question.

'Nuf said.

Brisk
02-03-2006, 11:59 PM
For every ONE incident you hear "trapped in a car because of the seat belt" there are likely thousands of "seat belt saved life and/or more severe injury". No question.

'Nuf said.

Exactly!!! IMO someone is an Idiot for not wearing their seat belt. Anyone ever driven a bumper car with out the seatbelt on?? Now try doing that at 70mph instead of 3mph:doah:

RustyJC
02-10-2006, 10:28 PM
Always! Every time! The vehicle doesn't move until everyone is buckled up.

I wasn't always so adamant about it - at least until a wreck that put my head into the driver's side A-pillar and the passenger's head through the windshield. Neither of us were wearing our belts. Amazing how that will make a believer out of a person!! :eek:

Rusty

Suburbazine
02-13-2006, 03:55 PM
Truck doesn't go into gear until every passeger is properly buckled. Simple as that. :doah:

rocknbronco
02-13-2006, 08:28 PM
I always wear mine the truck wont roll without it being on for all my passengers.Some laws are hear for a good reason just like ones preventing the marrage of cousins nobody want one more Alabama.

bigHD
02-14-2006, 09:09 AM
Sometimes I forget if I'm by myself, but if friends or family are in the truck everybody buckles up!waytogo

txdieselsmoker
02-14-2006, 12:59 PM
I don't go anywhere without buckling up, even when I'm in a parking lot. I take a company sponsered defensive driving course each year as well. I'm sure some of you have been through the Smith System.

Ever since my headon crash back in high school, I knew the value of a seatbelt. waytogo

Strokincowboy
03-08-2006, 11:35 AM
I don't think it is right that we have to wear seatbelts. I always see fellers ridin motorsicles without a helmet. Now, who is in more danger?
Oh ya I don't ever wear mine.

RDD
03-19-2006, 08:40 AM
For starters, I never wear a seat belt, the truth is just as many people are killed by seat belts as are saved, the media just does'nt let the info out as freely.
Just becase it's the law does'nt mean it's right, it's just the state governments way of making money.
read this article, very good info on seat belt laws.
http://www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest27.htm

Rick

BadDog
03-19-2006, 02:35 PM
He has some valid points, but typical of anyone who "supports a cause" there is also significant misrepresentation of "facts" and data. You know what they say about data and statistics, right? The most glaring (that I noticed) is his (intentional?) misrepresentation/misinterpretation of the quote from "Traffic Safety Facts 1998". While I fully agree with many of his points about self-determination and infringement of rights as well as many of the risks, his article is no better than the opposing coverage that he is calling unfair and biased.

It is an unfortunate fact of our culture that we must be cynical and distrustful of ANY strong representation of “fact” in supporting some cause. The only hope we have of catching any glimpse of the truth is to look into MANY sources and try to distil the truth for ourselves. An even more unfortunate fact of our culture is that the vast majority of the population will inevitably prefer to take whatever their knee-jerk predisposition (or self serving desire) indicates and find some site or publication that supports that view. They then use that “support” to fortify their “position” and close their minds to other considerations. This happens with BOTH sides ANY of the modern polarized debates including safety regulations, environmental, religious, abortion, gun control, drug legalization/control (recreational and medicinal), IFS/SFA, I6/V8, ;) and so on…

Brisk
03-20-2006, 10:30 AM
well saidwaytogo

gravdigr
03-23-2006, 11:51 AM
Wow, talk about necroposting. Ok here's 2 more cents. For the guy whos daughter was rear ended, physics 101....an object at rest stays at rest until acted on by an outside force, at that point for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If your daughter was rear ended the car she was in would move forward, causing her and her passenger to sink into the seat, not be thrown forward.

Next, I do not need the government telling me what I need to do to be safe. Many states (including PA) had a helmet law for motorcycles that was repealed. Do you not think your insurance would have to pay for their injuries.....actually motorcycles are far more deadly in a crash than a car, maybe they should be made illegal too?

If you like pics I can show you the pic of my '81 dodge onmi that was torn in half in an accident. Everything from the firewall forward was gone. Since that car has you more laying than sitting my legs were essentially in the engine compartment and would have been torn off had I not been thrown from the car. For every situation where a seatbelt saved a life (in someones opinion) there is probably a story of someone that was killed because of it (again in someones opinion).

It should be personal choice just like motorcycle helmets (I bet some of you so adamant about wearing seatbelts that ride bikes go without a helmet). As for insurance paying medical bills, if you T bone me and I'm not wearing my seatbelt the accident is still your fault and your insurance should pay for medical bills regardless of wether I was wearing a belt or not. I'm not on this earth to save you money when you screw up.

Now that being said I always wear my seatbelt out of habit because I can't afford the ticket, it's not a choice. I have been driving company trucks for 12 years now with a pristine safe driving record, not even so much as a parking ticket. If the law enforcers would do more about the jackasses that drive agressive and do not react to what other drivers do I think the accident numbers would fall dramatically. ANd for those that say they always wear their seatbelt except maybe in a parking lot, a parking lot is the absolute most dangerous place to drive...especially the big parking lots by wal-mart/sams club etc. I wish cops could sit there and fine all the turds that just drive across empty parking spaces and do not obey the STOP written on the ground.....but I digress.

RustyJC
03-27-2006, 08:32 AM
(I bet some of you so adamant about wearing seatbelts that ride bikes go without a helmet).In my case, that's one bet you'd lose! :rolleyes:

Rusty

biggator64
03-31-2006, 03:53 AM
i always wear my seat belt while muddin, sometimes i wear it on while driving on the road,i lived through a accident that would have killed me if i was wearing it but instead i broke my back in 3 places, and i always wear my helmet while riding my bike.waytogo

brods
04-08-2006, 10:41 PM
Wow, talk about necroposting. Ok here's 2 more cents. For the guy whos daughter was rear ended, physics 101....an object at rest stays at rest until acted on by an outside force, at that point for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. ....

Think about that physics 101 for a minute and then take it to the next step. The seat will act like a compressed spring. Rebound. And once a object is accelerated it has to stop somehow. I choose the seatbelts (and airbag) to do that.

I worked with a guy that didn't wear seatbelts. He hit a telephone pole. IIRC broke both wrists, an arm, got a head injury, but also did a lot of damage when he rebounded back onto the center ebrake handle, driving it into his lung and taking out a couple of ribs. Luckily he survived.



It should be personal choice just like motorcycle helmets (I bet some of you so adamant about wearing seatbelts that ride bikes go without a helmet). As for insurance paying medical bills, if you T bone me and I'm not wearing my seatbelt the accident is still your fault and your insurance should pay for medical bills regardless of wether I was wearing a belt or not. I'm not on this earth to save you money when you screw up.

Ok fine, someone hits you so they are responsible. What if you crash on your own and because you didn’t have a seatbelt on you get badly hurt and your medical costs exceed your insurance coverage? So then who pays? If society has to pick up the burden of your medical care, then it has the right to dictate what you can or can’t do in order to receive that medical care.

BTW Somebody better hurry up and tell all the race car drivers how stupid they are for wearing belts since its clear they don't do any good!:doah:

Brisk
04-09-2006, 12:32 AM
BTW Somebody better hurry up and tell all the race car drivers how stupid they are for wearing belts since its clear they don't do any good!:doah:

rotfl rotfl rotfl

RDD
04-09-2006, 07:42 AM
There is no way you can compare the restraint system in a race car to the seat belts in a passenger auto.

A race care has an engineered safety cage around the driver, a capsule if you will, the custom molded seat and 6 point harness are designed to hold the driver in that engineered safety zone, the safest part of the car.

Passenger vehicles are not designed that way, and in certain instances like being T Boned or Rollovers the seat belt will actually hold you in the death zone, you have no safety capsule in your auto.

Ignorance like this is why we have these laws.

Rick D

brods
04-09-2006, 09:27 AM
There is no way you can compare the restraint system in a race car to the seat belts in a passenger auto.

A race care has an engineered safety cage around the driver, a capsule if you will, the custom molded seat and 6 point harness are designed to hold the driver in that engineered safety zone, the safest part of the car.

Passenger vehicles are not designed that way, and in certain instances like being T Boned or Rollovers the seat belt will actually hold you in the death zone, you have no safety capsule in your auto.

Ignorance like this is why we have these laws.

Rick D
True to a point, but the principle is the same. Cars do have engineered safe zones, just not as strong as race cars. Indeed few people would be willing to pay the extra thousands needed to make a car that much safer or be willing to strap on a harness either.

So your argument is that it is much better to bounce around like a rag doll inside the vehicle? To stop your forward momentum using your face against the windshield?

Ignorance is when someone decides to ignore the facts. I have yet to see any anti seat belt people post anything more than a few antidotal stories where the seat belt made the injuries suffered worst than not wearing one. Another issue is that seat belts can be worn incorrectly. Still, looking at all crashes, there is no doubt that sear belts do more good than harm, and my guess is seat belts are even more important for passengers, who don't have a steering wheel to help support them in a crash.

But hey, this is America, where your free to still believe the earth is flat if you want.waytogo

gravdigr
04-09-2006, 09:40 AM
So your argument is that it is much better to bounce around like a rag doll inside the vehicle? To stop your forward momentum using your face against the windshield?

Ignorance is when someone decides to ignore the facts. I have yet to see any anti seat belt people post anything more than a few antidotal stories where the seat belt made the injuries suffered worst than not wearing one. [/quote]

Had I been wearing my seatbelt dec 9 1994 I would be dead right now, end of story, case closed. The only thing that saved my life was being thrown from my vehicle before the minivan that hit me ripped the entire front end off my car. I rolled clear while the front half of my car lay burning 50 feet in 1 direction and the back half lay in the weeds 50 feet in the other direction. That is not anecdotal, that is fact. I was there, experiencing the whole thing.

brods
04-09-2006, 11:03 AM
Ok we'll take that as fact. How many people have been thrown from their car and died where a seatbelt would have saved them? Lets have some data showing on average its more dangerous to wear a belt than not to. Even if it’s a wash that will be in your favor against the law. I doubt you can produce any.

Following your logic and making a wag at a number, say that 9 times out of 10 (this is probably a ridiculously low number) a seat belt does more good than harm. So one time out of ten it causes more harm and your reasoning is that because of that one time you should never wear a seatbelt and risk more severe injury the other nine times? Everything in life is a risk, you can choose to use facts and probabilities to minimize your risks or just ignore the facts and use blind emotion to dictate your choices. Sometimes you get lucky and come out ahead, but the odds are against you.

gravdigr
04-10-2006, 07:13 AM
Damn, I shoulda played the lottery that day :)

And actually this is a bit off topic from the OP. True, wearing a seatbelt may give you a better survival rate in the majority of accident scenerios. The question is, do you really want the government to tell you every thing you should and should not be doing? Do you want every choice taken away and put in the hands of a buerocrat that never rides in the front of a car anyway? I personally would rather have the choice.

And, where does this idea that if you are in an accident and your insurance does not cover all the bills that they just magically get paid? I hate to tell ya, but if insurance does not pay all the medical bills it falls on the patient. They will get bills, turned into for collection, and either pay or the money will be taken from them.

BadDog
04-10-2006, 04:06 PM
I disagree with a lot of what GD said, but this post is RIGHT ON to my way of thinking.

Oh, and I lost a leg in an accident that would have made me a paraplegic, if not killed me, had I had been wearing my seat belt (young and stupid, now old and stupid). Illegally racing a Corvette (nice highly modified 72 L82 that should not have been taken off the track) and cracked up, legs crushed in the foot well which kept me in the car, but the area where my butt would have been didn’t exist any more. The door was flattened against the trans tunnel, which was itself pushed over. If I had not “floated” up and over the tunnel (more or less) I would have been completely crushed from the waist down. And if my legs had not been crushed in the foot well, I would have been thrown free to bounce around at over 100 mph. Spent 6 days in ICU in and out of surgery and coma, 1.5 months in traction, and about a year in a wheel chair, but it could have been worse.

But even so, now my vehicle never moves unless everyone is buckled up, and it has nothing to do with the law.

Oh, and one more thing. “Ignorance” is someone who does not know the facts. “Stupid” is the word for someone who knows the “facts” and chooses to ignore it...

brods
04-13-2006, 09:29 PM
.....
Oh, and one more thing. “Ignorance” is someone who does not know the facts. “Stupid” is the word for someone who knows the “facts” and chooses to ignore it... Ok, I stand correctedwaytogo

As soon as people start accepting responsibility for their actions the government should repeal most laws. Unfortunately now-a-days you can pour hot coffee on your genitals and collect a payout. Leave your keys in the ignition and your toddler in the car unattended and if, tragically, the child gets killed after shifting it out of park, well now its not your fault, sue the car manufacturer and collect big! So what to do when morons act...well....like morons and will not accept the consequences of their own actions? The government has to treat them like the children they are.

Seriously, where to draw the line? Forcing people to buckle up crosses the line? So was mandating safer cars going too far as well? Should we all be driving around with the old metal dashboards and no safety glass? Are passive measures ok, but requiring people to act is not?

gravdigr No the bills don’t magically get paid, people declare bankruptcy and then society has to pick up the tab.

BadDog
04-16-2006, 11:52 PM
Oh, and please don't misunderstand my response. I wasn't *calling* anyone stupid. I was only correcting the definition. The term "ignorance" is misused far too often as a derogatory roughly equivalent to "stupid", when in fact, it is a completely different concept. If someone has never seen fire or red hot steel before, they may think it pretty and try to touch it. Ouch! That is ignorance. But knowing about fire and red hot steel, then touching it anyway, that is "stupid". Ignorance is easily corrected in most cases, stupidity is often impossible to correct.

I am making no comment as to how that applies to this discussion, or if it applies at all. That determination is left as an exercise for the reader...

chapman
09-16-2006, 05:38 PM
I don't wear mine at all, kinda gets repetative when your getting in and out. Plus living out here in a farming community they enforce it but us guys in 3/4 and 1 tons usually get left alone.

rocknbronco
09-17-2006, 11:59 PM
I had a deputy stop me today looking for "three kids" and a white mustang looked to be an 05 from what I heard well once I got motioned to stop my wife is not wearing her seat belt and saying dont stop yet dont stop yet.I would have laughted if she got a ticket because she is always riding me about tickets and how to drive.rotfl

bigbaddiesel
09-26-2006, 08:02 AM
since my friend arron hope died in an accident and didnt have it on i kinda always wear it now just for that simple fact.. unless in working on the farm then i dont but we are only going 10mph with a hay wagon

zippy
09-26-2006, 12:53 PM
i always wear mine i just grew up wearing it and to me its not an inconvienence to wear and if i were to get stuck i think the adreniline would help me to tear the thing off or something.

CB
09-28-2006, 02:31 PM
I am alive today beacuse of my seat belt!

powershooter
11-28-2006, 08:05 PM
To roll overs when I was young. Always wear it now.

Justice
12-03-2006, 04:11 PM
ok it the truck 99% i wear it. if im just movin trailers here and there around the farm then no i dont, although the "put your seatbelt on dinger" gets annioying. wheelin, on simple trails no i dont no top no doors just freedom i guess. on the rocks i do. the bike lota time no helment if we are goin out to screw around then yes. on dirt bikes always.

I know ppl that have been saved by the belts and know ppl that have walked away cause they didnt have them on. one friend lived because he did not have his belt on and the cop still wrote him a ticket for no seat belt. i see it as when its your time its your time. 100mph on a bike or walkin down the street and a brick falling when its time your not gunna stop it.

carguy9135
12-29-2006, 02:25 AM
Well i have my permit so everytime i drive, the first thing my mom says to me is, "put your seatbelt on" so im kinda forced to do it, but i would wear it anyway cause im kind of an aggresive driver.

Woods
02-02-2007, 01:55 PM
Alway wear mine, lost too many friends that weren't wearing theirs. burnout

Sparky
02-02-2007, 02:55 PM
I took door #3 not enough choices, I work with the local fire dept. here and go out on a lot of auto wrecks so I see my share of both sides of the coin. That being said I can see the law for people under the age of 16 since they are not deemed by the state or gov. to be responsible yet that they should have to wear their seat belts (we must protect our children) but if they give you a licence to drive a 3k-16k missile moving at 65mph and trust you to not use it to play bumper cars then it should be your choice if you wear a belt or not the fine is just the only way that they can enforce what someone else believes is the right thing in your daily life. Just my $0.02 worth. :dunno:

MrTow
06-26-2007, 02:01 PM
I always wear my belt. When I had my 105mph boat, I installed velcro lap belts for my passengers and made them use them.

Red Cummins, sorry to hear about your cousin. :(

haulin-rv
08-23-2007, 05:43 PM
I throw it when I have to roll through a scale, other than that I find it very uncomfortable and never wear it.

jake
08-24-2007, 01:51 PM
I always wear mine. IMO its just common sense.:dunno:

strictlyv8
08-24-2007, 06:43 PM
My truck gives a friendly reminder. A very annoying friendly reminder. I always where it though. In Miami cops love giving tickets.

Hawg Hunter
10-05-2007, 11:08 PM
I always buckle. Yes, It's the law in PA. I'm also an EMT and Rescue Tech. Have been for 30+ years. Have seen my share of gore. I believe seat belts save lives. Now even more with air bags.
One incident comes to mind. Freaky though.
Fella driving down the road with his window down and arm sticking out the window when a semi side swipes him going the opposite direction. The semi hooks his arm and pulls him out through the side window. Looked like he was run through a cheese grater.
With a seat belt on, he might have lost his arm, but also may have lived. We'll never know.
What a mess.
Could tell many what-ifs.

originalodie
10-24-2007, 05:56 PM
ALWAYS wear it. been in a few wrecks that could have been much worse without it. driving a VW scirocco rearended a stopped minivan he was on the brakes when I hit him at 65mph, we only went another 15 ft. without it, I would have probably endedup in the seat next to him. As it was, I was just bumped and very bruised. I also always wear a motorcycle helmet when riding. Missed a turn once at about 70 mph(way too fast for that road)
hit an embankment and airborn. landed head first, rocks went through two layers of carbon fiber, 3 layers of kevlar, 4 or 5 layers of fiberglass, and into the styrofoam inside. Still have both the helmet and bike as reminders when I get to feeling bulletproof (the speedo is stuck on 72mph).
that being said, I don't think that the gov should tell me that I have to wear either one. It should be my choice.
Also remember seeing a training video at the VFD I was at. Computer generated remake of an accident. 5 people in a car, 4 belted in. the one unbelted one survived, but he killed the others being tossed around.
noone rides without being belted (in my truck? my choice, not yours)

Shiner
10-29-2007, 11:38 AM
I am a Safety Advisor for a large oil and gass exploration co. I know a number of people who have been killed in car accidents. Some were killed or badly injured becouse they couldn't get out of thier seat belts fast enough. I do nomally wear mine but I agree whole heartedly with Sparky. I unplugged the seatbelt wire under the seat so if I dont have it on the truck wont scream at me.

ram02
11-16-2007, 09:03 PM
Nope dont wear it not going to.When they put a 4 point in,like they do in aircraft,I'll gladly put one on.Until then,no way.

05HDRAM
01-28-2008, 10:08 AM
Wearing a seatbelt saved my life, I always wear it.

trsixer
02-07-2008, 06:33 PM
Wear mine all the time now. I have totaled five cars in the past the first one I did not have it on and ended up in the back seat. I drive a 2500 Gmc van as a electrical service Tech. I want to stay in the vehicle not as road kill.

Montana Mike
02-12-2008, 03:23 PM
I wear my seat belt not because I think that it will save my life, but because special interest group(s) and their self serving policies decided to take away one more of my freedoms and choices and make me a violator if I did not comply. I have been in two major head on collisions while not wearing seat belts and a few other collisions while not wearing seat belts. Needless to say the major collisions totaled the vehicles, but with the extensive damage suffered by the vehicles I was never injured nor required treatment at a medical facility. I trust my safety to an entity higher than a seat belt or law enforcement.

05HDRAM
02-12-2008, 03:31 PM
Your the exception, not the rule. If we didn't have seatbelt laws, maybe we could thin out some of the stupid people.;)

truckie481
02-25-2008, 05:54 AM
I always wear mine, not due to the seat belt law but due to the habit my parents gave me as a child and one I have passed on to my two sons, I don't even think about it.