Diesel: Using oil to cut oil use

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  1. CK5

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    Diesel: Using oil to cut oil use

    The fuel could be the quickest and most efficient way to make a big cut in U.S. oil consumption. But there are problems.
    By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
    February 13, 2006: 4:31 PM EST


    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Could diesel fuel be the methadone needed to help solve the nation's "oil addiction?"
    Advocates for diesel -- a less refined fuel than gasoline that burns more completely in the engine, delivering more power -- say it can cut oil use, perhaps more quickly and cost effectively than alternatives such as hybrids and ethanol.

    Diesels are more fuel efficient than gasoline engines, and often provide greater fuel savings even than the gas-electric hybrid vehicles garnering attention as gas prices have surged. The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that if one-third of cars and light trucks, such as SUVs and minivans, had diesel engines, it would save the equivalent of U.S. oil imports from Saudi Arabia.
    Diesel fuel is also far more widely available than some alternative fuels such as ethanol that were highlighted by President Bush when lamented the nation's oil addiction in his State of the Union address last month.
    Nearly half of the nation's filling stations already carry diesel, compared to less than 5 percent that offer an 85-percent ethanol blend known as E85.
    But new environmental regulations pose a problem for automakers, stopping all of them other than DaimlerChrysler's luxury Mercedes brand from setting a date for a diesel engine introduction in cars and light trucks. Even Volkswagen, which has the largest range of diesel-powered cars and light truck offerings now on the market, may have to pull out of the market at least temporarily, as it can't say when it will be able to meet the new regulations that go into effect with the 2007 model year.
    It's also not clear how easy it will be to sell diesels to the "green" consumer who might be willing to pay a premium to cut down on emissions.
    "A lot of education has to take place," said Anthony Pratt of J.D. Power & Associates. "They're not slow and smelly... that they're actually more environmentally friendly than people might think. But our research shows that they're a tough sell to those buyers."
    Advocates say diesel is close to meeting the new regulations. One reason is that all major automakers already have diesel offerings they sell in Europe, where more than half of cars and light trucks already run on diesel. All those European engines need are modifications to comply with stricter U.S. environmental regulations.
    "We're not introducing a new technology, we're introducing a new generation of old technology," said Allen Schaeffer, executive director of the Diesel Technology Forum, a trade group of diesel engine manufacturers and automakers. "It's not like the hybrids, where there were none when they first started to be introduced."
    Weighty matters
    Diesels have an inherent advantage over hybrids during highway driving, when the hybrid's electric motor is essentially not in use and thus is extra weight being carried along.
    Diesel also has some built-in efficiency advantages for heavier vehicles, which is why it is so widely used by buses and large trucks. Therefore, they could see their greatest use in some current gas-guzzling models, such as larger SUVs and pickups, as well as in some luxury vehicles in which the extra cost could be balanced by a buyer's demands for more performance.
    "The fun-to-drive factor is really high," said Michelle Murad, a spokeswoman for Mercedes USA, which has found stronger-than-anticipated demand for its current diesel offering here.
    This fall, cleaner low-sulfur fuel will start arriving at those filling stations, holding out the promise of diesel engines that pollute less than many gasoline-powered cars do. And if bio-fuels start to spread in popularity, just about every diesel engine can run a bio-diesel.
    Right now, only 3 percent of cars and light trucks have diesel engines, and most of those are heavy-duty pickup trucks, such as the Ford F-250, that don't have to meet the same emission standards as smaller trucks and cars.
    Less than 1 percent of cars and traditional light trucks, such as the F-150, are now diesel, according to figures from the Power Information Network. Those vehicles can't be sold in five states, including California and New York, due to tougher air standards there.
    "We will not sell a vehicle here unless we can sell in all 50 states," said Ford spokesman Nick Twork. "Part of it is just a business equation -- it's tough to sell vehicles that are closed out to that large a segment of the market."
    Tougher nationwide
    The new regulations will essentially level the playing field nationwide. But they will be much tougher than standards now in effect in the other 45 states, essentially requiring a diesel to be as clean burning as a gasoline-powered car.
    Part of the problem of complying with the new regulations is that the most cost effective and fuel-efficient way to do so is by injecting urea into the engine. But an engine that runs out of urea would still operate, but would cause more pollution as it continues to run. That would violate EPA regulations requiring emission controls to last more than 100,000 miles without the vehicle owner taking any affirmative steps such as refilling missing fluids.
    Some diesel advocates are hoping the EPA will relax that rule, allowing car owners to refill their urea tank when they change their oil or fill up with diesel. But it's not clear EPA even has the authority to allow that to happen.
    Then there is the problem that has limited the spread of most fuel efficiency improvements in the U.S. automotive fleet -- the relatively low price of gasoline here.
    In Europe, where gasoline is taxed to bring it to more than $5 a gallon and diesel enjoys some tax advantages, there's a lot more incentive for drivers to pull up to the diesel pump.
    Charlie Freese, General Motors' executive director of diesel engineering, said that even if environmental regulations were identical in Europe and the United States, the difference in fuel prices would keep the use of diesel here well below the European levels. It's also why he won't make projections as to how well diesel vehicles will do in the U.S.
    "What's driven a lot of the penetration (in Europe) is the fuel price," he said. "My crystal ball is not that clear. If you look at them on economics, the small cars will not provide payback on diesel (at current gas prices). But there are things that diesel does that customers seem to like."

    Web source: http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/13/Autos/diesel/index.htm
     
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    I've been arguing for years now that instead of pioneering hybrid technology they should focus on developing smaller diesel engines. More power and as good as or better economy! Where is the down side? I've also heard that the process by which the hybrid batteries are manufactured (or materials involved) is quite damaging to the enviornment. Plus, what happens in 5-7 years when all these hybrids need their battery packs replaced? How are they going to be disposed of or recycled safley? It's just like these idiots that are busy looking for the cure for cancer!
     
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    All good points. I wish GM would put a diesel in the new Suburban...
     
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    Sad thing is, I want to transplant a 6.2 into my 86 K5. Problem is you cannot do it and pass emissions even though my mpg would come close to doubling (currently 10-12mpg). Funny thing is for an 86 to pass emissions here it only needs to have the emissions equipment installed, it does not need to work or even be hooked up. Luckly for me my blazer is exempt because I drive it less than 5k miles a year. But preventing anyone from installing a cleaner and more fuel effecient motor because the vehicle did not originally come with one is dumb.
     
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    Damn tree huggers! Has everyone kicked their Sierra Club members today?
     
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    Since when did government policy, the EPA in general, or liberal "environmentalist" science have to make any sense at all? I don’t recall their ever being any requirement (or even an attempt made) for fact or “solid science” in those areas at any point in my lifetime…
     
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    That's true. Most of what government's programs don't make a bit of sense. You know, the American revolution was started over a 3% tax on tea. 3%!!! There is no doubt in my mind that if the founding fathers were brought back to life today, they'd start another revolution because the government has no right being in a lot of the things it is doing. If my house is in a flood plane and winds up getting flooded, why should everyone else pay for it? Wasn't it my own dumb decision to put my house in the path of a natural disaster? Why yes, it was. But if thousands of people decide to put their houses in a flood plane, the whole country must bear the burden of their stupidity. Now, I don't have a problem donating money to charity, but let that be my decision! I have never been able to figure out why politicians think they know how to spend our money better than we do.
     
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    It's just about the money

    The government is alyways gonna get their little piece of the pie. The program dosent really matter, neither do we as long as the money lines the pocket of some politician. Our founding fathers did it for the love of the people and because they had moral values.
     

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