I just returned from a trip through Tenn. I fueled there and to my suprise it was the new ultra low sulfer fuel. I LOST about 2.5 miles to the gallon , and that was after I had unloaded the trailer.
I got my first tank about 3 weeks ago in Cortez, Colorado. I didn't notice any big mileage losses but I didn't get any better mileage from it thats for sure. I still got about 20mpg from the tank of all highway driving at 65-70 unloaded. I average 19-22 unloaded cruising 65-70 unloaded so the 20 mpg wasn't a huge shocker but it sure wasn't the 22 mpg I got on the previous tank of S500 diesel. Harley
Thats what I have been predicting. When they lowered the sulfer content about 10 years ago we all lossed mileage in our OTR trucks. Then, at big meetings, if you bring up "why is this new fuel better for emmissions when we just have to burn more of it per mile to make up the power loss, besides the fact that this costs us all more too?" Dead silence, they don't have an answer because they don't seem to understand that, you keep reducing the quality of the fuel and all we have to do is just burn more of it to make the same power. I just can't wait to see the VP44 failures with this new fuel. I know I am glad I have a case of bottles of Amsoil fuel lubricity additive. All we can do is complain about it, and stock up on additives.
I just bought a case of ND 30w motor oil for my truck and have 1 bottle of Stanadyne left to go. Then I am going to pickup a case of Amsoil fuel treatment to help keep my VP alive. I mix about 32oz or ND 30w with about 4oz Stanadyne currently for my fuel to keep the VP happy. I hope they really did add some type of lube to the new fuel to help with lubricity but I am not taking any chances. Harley
"I just can't wait to see the VP44 failures with this new fuel. I know I am glad I have a case of bottles of Amsoil fuel lubricity additive." Well, knock on some wood, my VP-44 has never drank an ounce of fuel that was comtaminated with either 5-30, 10-30, Power Service additive or Type A tranny fluid. 8oz of additive with every fill up. VP-44 has 159,800 miles on it. I've only replaced the LP once at 95,000. Its a rotary pump also. Got to be something to using an additive, especially with rotary pumps. All my previous Diesel were rotary pumps which I used additive in those as well. I suspect your right, when the new fuel comes out, the people who don't pay attention will be making the machanics happy. Dave
I actually called my local air pollution department and fuel supplier ( I have fuel delivered) about this matter. Air pollution said that the ULSD fuel contains .015 PPM sulfer content. Fuel that we have been used to is .05PPM. It isn't the huge drop that we saw 6-7 years ago with the CARB fuel plan (IIRC it was .20PPM sulfer content to .05PPM). Here in California it's already in the pumps. Refiners have been actually switched over to ULSD since July. I have it in my tank and didn't even relize it, as it's supposed to be officially out Sept. 1st. The greenies just can't wait to get this stuff out. Fuel mileage and pump failures shouldn't be nearly as a problem as when CARB standards for California hit 6-7 years ago, but it's just more and more of basically sucking the "diesel" out of our diesel fuel IMHO. What really ticks me off though, is that I have a LOT of older equipment that is designed for the original fuel before even CARB standards. I brought up two things with my local air pollution rep. 1. " Last time CARB altered the fuel our mileage in OTR trucks dropped at least 1mpg. Going from 5.5mpg to 4.5mpg in vehicle that regularly drives 75,000 miles a year is huge. Does this new fuel save on pollution enough to compensate for the fact that we now are burning MORE of this poorer quality fuel and putting more of it back in the air?" Answer, they have none. He did not know, along with everyone else that I have asked this question to, as no one had an answer 6-7years ago when the same question with the first CARB plan. 2. "Does anyone take into consideration of the consumer? Do they even relize or understand what impact this has on the equipment this fuel powers? Do they care that not only does this fuel cost us more since it's less effective and less efficient, that now we burn more? That also injection pump, injector, and supply pump failures have increased considerably on new fuel?" Answer...they don't know and don't care. Air pollution reps. have no answer and have the attitude that it's our problem. They say that we need to get with the manufacturer to help make these older engines work on less efficient fuel. Obviously they don't know a lick about mechanics. A P7100 pump is a P7100 pump. It was designed a certain way and there is no way around it's design structure. I have gathered that they don't care about my second issue. Just as long as the greenies get their way, thats what is important, regardless how it effects everything associated with it. How about people's livelyhood and how about some actuall hard evidence showing that this inferior fuel really does help the environment even though engines consumer more of it over old "more polluting" fuel...
seems like their would be less pollutants in the air but more greenhouse gasses, not a bad trade off if you ask me
they are adding extra lube to it, our fuel company drivers dump it into each load personanly before it hits the supply tanks.
There is no way we can win this. Oil companys are for it cause its another way to hike up prices, the tree huggers are happy, even if they found a way to make regular off road diesel exhaust breathable theres no way they would take the emissions stuff off the cars. Were fighting a losing battle. I think the first step to us taking control would be to make california its own country so they can stop messing up mine.
Ok I know this is TAboo but is this new LSF is out are thay also changeing the heating oil ??? And why cant I run that in my truck if it's still high sulfer??? I personal like the black smoke on a tree hugger peddeling his but off on the side of the road as I go on past!!!
I see you used the "cool" avatar....when an action like that is quite the opposite. If you want to keep what you have, don't give the wackos ammunition.
OK but I still ask is it evil to run heating oil in my diesel ?? other than the man said so? I just care if it will damage my toy! As for smokeing the tree hugging peddel pushers I know its bad and not helping the cause but it's nice to think about when I pass!
