Ford- Cummins, Dodge goin Cat??

Well I recently was told that Ford bought Cummins 2 years ago and in 2010 Dodge is going to put a caterpillar engine in the pickups. This guy was pretty sure of himself and says that Ford is going to start using the Cummins engine. I have not heard, seen or read about this anywhere. Who out there knows the real story or any of the story. The last I had read, Ford had some SHARES in Cummins and got rid of them and Cummins had a contract to supply engines to Dodge for a few more years...Whats it going to be??

 

Ford has always owned stock in Cummins, as for the Blue Oval going to Cummins it's hard to say. I think it's safe to say no. If Dodge can't use the Cummins they will probably go with the Mercedes diesel.
Since Toyota put their heavy-duty trucks on hold, the Caterpiller is up for grabs, but I don't think Ford will use them.
I think the "Big Three" should offer any diesel option avaliable.:stir:

 

OMG....if I have to hear someone say that Ford owns Cummins one more time I'm going to beat my head against the wall!!!!

NO! Ford bought some shares into CUmmins YEARS ago, back in the early 90's or something.... then shortly after Ford sold them, or CUmmins bought them back up...something of that nature.

Ford has ZERO affiliation with Cummins. You will likely never see a Cummins engine in a Ford from the factory, you will likely see a Cummins under the hood of future Dodges for many years to come, Toyota will probably still never *actually* release their HD pickup line, and Cat likely won't get picked up due to the initial cost of their engines.

There is only two things I could think of that could *potentially* happen in the near future.

1. Dodge may use a Mercedes diesel in cunjunction, or to replace the Cummins in the future.

2. Ford could possibly split with International.... and most likely will then just build their own in house diesel engine...and not use CAT.

 

Be specific, Ford already uses Cat in their F-650's

 

An F-650 is a medium duty rig. In medium and heavy duty rigs you have multiple engine options between CAT, Cummins, Mercedes, Volve, etc. Unlike a light duty pickup truck that only has one diesel engine available.

 

Ok in Diesel power there is a Sterling 360, looking like a Ford with a Cummins 6.7, just like the Dodge. Just throwing that out there. :>

 

You are CORRECT!!!...imp:

 

Tennico corp. is the actual owner of cummins, or should I say the mother company. It is owned through one of the smaller affiliats known as Case.

 

Sterling trucks is owned buy DAIMLER CHRYSLER the sterling bullit is a rebadged RAM


RJF's right nobody is gonna go with CAT anytime soon ESPECIALLY TOYOTA

you really want a Caterpillar ???? well you can figure double your repair bills and wont gain any power or reliabilty over the other engines out there .

Caterpillar makes EXCELLENT EQUIPMENT but there engine are on par with every one elses in all but price

 

That pretty much sums it up.

CAT could *possibly* build a production light truck inline 6 for a specific company like Toyota and manage to get the overall cost down a little on the engine compared to what a crate C7 costs, but there has been no word of trying to do so.

I will say CAT usually manages to make a bit more power than the other brands in the same size engine class, my three seperate CAT engines really do put out some nice power, but I have definantly not found them to be any more reliable or longer lasting in any way than any of my Cummins, John Deere, Ford, International, or Detroit engines.

My CATS may have a slight power advantage over the other brands I have, but with an offset of a higher cost for the bolt on parts. Cat eats you up with engine accessories. Rebuild costs are pretty close to what the other brands cost, but it's when you need to rebuild an injection pump, injectors, water pumps, accessory brackets, injector lines.....CAT bends you over... :doah:

 

WRONG! I work for tenneco they make exhaust, shocks, and elastomers... we just work on underbody stuff

 

take another gander at that sterling 360 it looks like the dodge 3500s because sterling is owned by freightliner which is an affiliate of chrysler which og course ownes dodge

 

Wow... This place is almost sounding like Pirate4x4 now...rotfl

 

Don't forget, Caterpiller has the 7.2 Turbocharged inline 6 that was in the Dodge concept PowerWagon. Any light duty truck and auto maker would benefit from this type of option.
It only cost a little more to go first class.waytogo

 

CONCEPT TRUCK!!!
plus were did you read it was a CAT ?????? from all the **** I read it was a un specified make 7.2 diesel designed to run on "ultra low sulfur fuel" which at the time I remember thinking "WTF is ultra low sulfur fuel?????"

as for the C7 in a Pickup doubt it very much to gawd damn heavy IIRC it's a good 200 or 300 pounds heavier than a 5.9 cummins which is friggin' brick



I wish Detroit would build a scaled down version of there 60 series.
powerful great on fuel and easy to work on and parts are on par with cummins

 

That's right, a CAT 7.2 Turbo Diesel direct injection w/780 ft.lbs. of torque designed to run on ultra-low sulfur diesel.
It was never meant to go into production because of weight and cost issues which can be easily resolved, if Cat put forth the effort.

 

Either way it won't happen . the market share isn't big enough for cat to bother

they just wouldn't make enough Money off the deal to make it worth there while any way you slice it the C7 is to damn big and heavy

Again I like Cat products BUT I would not trade my Cummins truck for a Caterpillar powered version. even if the price was less
and theres probaly alot of D-max owners who feel the same




All you'd really be gaining is a thinner wallet and the "bragging rights"




But then again if Ford were to get out of there quagmire with navistar and go with a Cat engine it would probaly fix there reputation

 

You've got it Yellowk20....

Years ago when the 3406B came out for OTR applications, if kicked butt compared to the 2 stroke Detroits and 855 Cummins, and continued to have a great reputation among truck drivers through the 3406E model.

Today, CAT doesn't really have squat over Cummins or International. Especially when you consider how well the B series Cummins, DT466, and T44E have proven themselves over many years of service, especially when you start comparing the C7 with it's somewhat light troublematic history. CAT would have a lot to live up to, and they know that and relize they aren't going to come out with an engine for a pickup that is just going to completely dominate the light duty market.

Even though the 6.0 PSD disaster has put Ford in 3rd place on the diesel market, The ISBE Common Rail Cummins and all generations of the Duramax have really risen the bar and have become very impressive. CAT isn't going to gang up with a manuafacturer and just walk on in and take over like so many people think would happen, and if you want my opinion, I think CAT might even have trouble just keeping up and keeping trucks out of the dealership with TSB's.....

 

The Cat 7.2 is a "Real" truck engine, no light-duty manufacturer I know of can handle the torque (rear wheel) that (that) Cat produces. Cummins hasn't proved anything to me, it's OK but in need of some improvement.
Don't get me wrong, my truck will run. The only thing good about a Dodge CTD is in the engine compartment.

 

The B series Cummins, the T444E.... all REAL medium duty truck engines. The C7 has nothing over either one really, infact.... the ISC Cummins can kind of hand the Cat's butt to it...but it's got another litre over the CAT also.

As far as none of the manufacturers not using a CAT because they can't handle the torque output.....rotfl rotfl rotfl There is nothing special about the C7 in the torque department, but you have to compare apples to apples. Power numbers in medium duty applications (like what you are looking at) are not comparable to how the auto manufacturers interperate power numbers.

For example, I'll compare some medium duty numbers to what you have looked at that the C7 is rated for.

C7: rated up to 330/860
ISB: 275/770
ISC 3?0/ 900+ft lbs

Guarranteed, that if the C7 was put in a light duty chassis, you would see number advertised more like 350HP/650ft lbs.....just like the ISBE, Dmax, T444E......

They program them different to NOT have the kind of power and drive like a medium duty Freightliner.

Oh.... and the chassis from Dodge and Ford would have no problem holding back the C7's current rated power...and infact would be a slice of pie for it...

If you are looking towards CAT to join up with a manu. and for them together to raise their big off yellow and black wond and revolutionize the diesel pickup market because the Cummins in the Dodge or Dmax in a GM could use some "improvement" isn't going to happen. Like I said before, if CAT follows their normal trend with both their big and small engine line....the new hood hinges on that new Toyota or Dodge would get a workout from all of the TSB's getting monthly done the vehicle. I honestly believe CAT would just be playing "catch up" with the other brands if they jumped in with someone like Toyota, similar to Ford's situation with their previous and current engine.