Anyone ever use the ats manifolds on the new 600 series cummins. i have no plans on running a programmer but i am planning on the manifold, banks high ram and a banks intercooler. just trying to make my truck as efficient as possible. any comments would be appreciated. ryan
I think it's mainly designed to take the larger amounts of heat that modified motors make. It is able to expand and contract much better than the stock piece. I wouldn't use any of the three parts you listed on a stock truck. Maybe the Banks high rise if I had to choose one. All three things are designed for modified motors flowing a LOT more air than stock, especially the intercooler.
They won't hurt a stock motor. The larger intercooler can actually be good on a stock motor, giving a colder air charge into the engine. Creating boost creates heat, modified or not, so he can benefit from the intercooler.
I've just been told that the aftermarket intercoolers only help cool more than the stock units at higher boost levels.
What ever you'd like to do, it's up to you.waytogo But remember, regardless of how hard you are driving it 22lbs of boost is 22lbs of boost. (I think that is where your truck is set, could be a few lbs more).
fixed it for ya.... the innercooler would help. from what i have been understanding the high ram is helping only in noise on a stock truck. the exhaust manifold has been droping drive pressure and on a stock turbo causing a little 1 or 2 lbs of boost to not be seen. if i had the money right now i would get all 3. but my truck just got a Van Aaken box a couple of days ago and i have hit 42lbs of boost and it warms up REAL fast so i only get to use it for short passes on the high setting. if i had those items i could use it much longer. along with a larger exhaust as well.
3rd gens make 32lbs of boost stock? Yes you would benifet from those three items, you are bringing in more heat with a box.
yup, and with the Van Aaken turned off the boost fooler is still on. i push 36Lbs in the off position. 45 in either on position. :stir: Grant
I set my boost elbow to open the waste gate at 30psi and if I'm on it hard with the TST turned on 4 it will hit about 33 before the gate has time to open. I want to keep my stock turbo alive till I can afford a better one...
I have no interest in this thread of what modified trucks are producing for boost. What I was suprised at was that Grant said a STOCK AS A ROCK 3rd gen makes 32lbs of boost, which sounded a little high to me and wanted other opinions.
Stock 600 series trucks with the elecronic wastegate will runn in the 28-32lb range. I still wanted more, so out came the stock charger!
I just ran with the tst turned off and got 31 psi which is where my boost elbow is set to so I probably hit 32 or a bit more.
stock, what i run 99.9% of the time is 32 PSI. i think the boost sensor goes off at 34psi. i have the Van Aaken smartbox C3.2 on now. the boost fooler stays on no matter what position you leave the box in. so in the "off" position i now hit 36psi peak. i can hit 45 psi with the box on either position. gets warm FAST though and i cnat be running it until i get my pyro hooked up... yeah, im slacking... i know... but no fun with the box till its done.
The ATS and BD manifolds 94-02 Dodge are 3 piece manifolds and like RJF said they are only to address the cracking issues caused by heat contraction, they have no flow benefits. The 03-06 factory Dodge manifolds share the 2# and #4 port so upgrading to the 2 piece that we offer will actually improve flow, I believe ATS's has individual ports as well. With the BD manifolds we also includes 2 pre-tapped NPT ports for your pyrometer or any other sensor you would like to use. For the Intercoolers there is actually a lot to be gained over a stock one on either a stock or high performance Cummins. The biggest being cooler EGT's and less boost loss through the intercooler, check out the new BD Cool-It Intercooler it is the newest technology in Intercoolers using a extruded tubes and fin design rather than the old stuff tubes technology. Here is a link to a discussion Colorado5 and I had a few weeks ago regarding our BD Cool-It Intercooler. I have pasted the main body below but here is the link to the whole thread if you are interested. waytogo https://towrig.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1587 Intercoolers are much more complex than most realize, while watching the day to day development of the BD Intercooler I found it to be very educational, it made me realize exactly how much is involved in a good performing intercooler and how intelligent those engineers here at BD really are! With out sounding too technical I will try pointing out some of the key advantages the BD Intercooler has over the Banks. The first difference is we are 1” larger in overall size of the cooling surface; the biggest difference is going to come from the fins and tube design. The Banks Intercooler uses a stuffed-tube design which is more prone to heat and pressure distortion. Their fins are stuffed into their tubes and when heated the fins separate from the cooling tubes. The BD Intercooler uses a newer technology, extruded-tube, which is a higher quality; much stronger design allowing it to withstand higher pressures and heat. The second major difference is the amount of cooling tubes used; with the BD intercooler we use 49 cooling tubes vs. Banks that uses 31 cooling tubes. We can achieve this because we are approximately 1” taller and use a slightly smaller tube. Think of it as a heat sink with say 5 large cooling fins vs. a heat sink with say 10 smaller cooling fin, the one with ten smaller cooling fins will cool much more effectively because of more actual cooling surface.
