I'm throwing around BOMBing ideas because I'm getting some fairly decent income coming in. What is better? I don't plan on needing the hi power programming of the Comp( say the 100-120HP setting) because I know neither my tranny, fuel system, and turbo can handle it. The EZ power numbers sound pretty good and right in the range that I want but I also like the fact that the Comp as a 40 HP setting and if I want stock, just shut the thing off from inside the cab. I would probably leave it on 40HP most of the time. The truck already has a decent amount of get up and go anyway. So go with the comp then right?.....You've got a small boost of 40HP and can shut it off if you want......the problem is my warranty. :doah: I have a 2 year/24K warranty and if I tap the pump wire we all know what that means. At least with the EZ I can just unplug it and send it to the shop when problems happen. As far as I know, with tapping the pump you break the tab or something and the dealership can tell and void your warranty. Not cool when I tear the crap out of the stock auto. rotfl Is there anyway around the dealer knowing the pump as been tapped? What should I do? BTW, I'm doing it the right way. I'm getting guages FIRST so I have the chance to compare temps from the tranny, EGT and fuel pressure vs. with the chip. Exhaust is on my list for number 2. What do you guys think? opcorn:
I have been dreaming about adding serious power to mine as well but I have refrained because of the fact that I have needed the waranty for regular IP failure. It is my understanding that if DC wanted to dispute a warranty claim they can read the fuel curve anytime it is out of spec. Becareful some dealerships are more forgiving than others when it comes to warranty issues . A buddy of mine was denied a tranny coverage at a local dealership because he put a set of 285's on his truck when it originally came with 265's on it. Once my warranty is over and I am comfortable with the reliability of the IP I plan on a small fuel box and some injecters myself. I have not studied the aftermarket Cummins stuff in a few years so I need to do some serious research to get back up to speed on what is what. Tom
So you are saying the dealership is capable of plugging in and reading off of the ECM what the engine has had plugged in? I thought that as long as the box is removed and everything goes back to stock power and nothing left to detect, dang! This reminds me of a drug test. :doah: Both Edge boxes are supposedly not warranty effected, at least they say that.... :doah: As far as which box, I think after seeing the prices of both I am going to go with the Comp. Just a few extra bucks for the comp.
From what I have learned Cummins has the hardware to read any condition out of the normal settings on an ISB and recall it on demand. I do not know if DC has that ability but I was not willing to test it for myself . I gues it would depend on how bad a dealer wanted to dispute a claim. I can tell you this, each time my truck goes in for a IP they search it over for signs of a fueling box and aftermarket parts but end up honoring the warranty because they find the truck is bone stock with the exception of gauges and tires. Tom
Yes the dealer can read any history on the ecm. If you come in with a fragged turbo and they read that "something" was causing a routine over boost (over stock) they will pull the warranty right then and there. Only time you can return it to stock is on a 12 valve. Now if you have a cool dealer they may not care, hell some dealers are installing EDGE Juice modules to new trucks! Some dealers deny warranty if you paint your valve cover.
So I am gathering it has more to do with each dealer than Dodge's warranty guidelines? So how do I apporoach my local dealer with curiousity on how liberal they are when it comes to mods?
The best way would be to hear by word of mouth but if that is not possible than I would make a phone call or two and ask the service department . Just inquire about their policy about aftermarket equipment on a truck that you are "thinking" about buying and see how the service writter/manager reacts. it's always a gamble but it might not ever be an issue for Ya" . Tom
You can get an EZ cheap ($300 ish) and have a very noticeable increase in power. If you've been reading TDR, you know about the Catcher ECM, right? That would be the ticket to 'invisible' power upgrade (to a dealer anyway). The Comp is awesome but requires you to tap the pump wire to get the most out of it, and THAT TAP is obvious to a dealer. The EZ you can remove in 2 minutes and I doubt the dealer could tell it was on, and as stated, some dealer's won't bust your chops anyway. As you know already, the tranny is the weak link. I already have chatter with just an EZ............mine is going in Monday for the 47RE Bombing.............can't wait, then injectors are next. (Don M's 1.6's likely) should increase my fuel mileage to over 22 (getting almost 20 now with the EZ). I'd do tranny, BHAF, exhaust, Catcher, injectors in that order.
Hmmm....I'm not familiar with the Catcher ECM. Fill me in? I don't read at TDR.com much anymore, I like TRC so much better because it's the boys from CK5, just with different trucks on topic. waytogo
It's a reprogrammed ECM that is swapped out for your original one. Programming is much like an EZ only better.......power comes in much lower in the rpm band. Testing shows it to add about 50ish HP and torque to match. Undetectable to a dealer.......... Would be worth it to you to read the TDR thread on it..........well, some of it anyway. It's over 1000 posts now...........kinda like Wes' 'I'm outta here' thread only WITH substance.
I wonder if a Dealer would be willing to install something like an EDGE Juice module and still honor the warrenty? I know if a Dealership installs a lift kit they will not void the warrenty.
I have a edge comp in my 01 dodge 6speed, the is cool because you can also tune your fuel delivery speed on fly (which is how you can control if you want any black smoke) you can also control your response ( which is whether you want to get it on or ease into it so if your pulling a trailer it won't jerk your load) as for problems I haven't had none out of mine you just have to not ride the clutch, you probably like me don't need that 120 setting but when you put it on 120 that durn truck will get it on in a hurry, If you are interested in a used comp box my diesel mechanic here by me sells them you can look on the web at him at www.relentlessdiesel.com this guy knows his stuff tell him Bobby W sent you also a chip is better than injectors because the box will monitor your wastegate as well as well as other stuff, and about voiding your warranty I think you can take the chip out and disconnect your negative batterypost over night and it will reset your computer. I think I'm notsure.burnout
i have a comp box got it 3 weeks ago it is money well spent i bought mine on ebay from extreme diesel and exhaust for 500 it was the cheapest i found but it was well worth the money. It will set you back in your seat. And will blow more black smokewaytogo
