What turbo are you using?

Discussion in 'General Tow Rig Discussion' started by Dave@BD-Power, Aug 21, 2006.

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What Turbo you using on your Dodge

  1. Super-B Single

    3 vote(s)
    3.8%
  2. Super-B Twins

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    3.8%
  3. Aurora Single

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    1.3%
  4. Aurora Twins

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  5. Phat Shaft

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  6. Garrett

    4 vote(s)
    5.0%
  7. Stock

    62 vote(s)
    77.5%
  8. Other

    3 vote(s)
    3.8%
  1. Dave@BD-Power

    Dave@BD-Power Well-Known Member

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    Tell me us what turbo you are using and why you like it?
     
  2. CK5

    CK5 WhooHoo! Administrator Moderator

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    Stock, not sure I like it but it's what came from the factory... for now.
     
  3. 4054x4

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    stock because i do not yet have the money for the BD twins and intercooler :stir:
     
  4. Burt4x4

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    Stock ~ because you haven't sold me a better one yet waytogo


    hehehehe

    No plans to change my Stock setup...as of yet..time will tell :popcorn:
     
  5. 502_Jimmy

    502_Jimmy TRC Staff Moderator

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    Stock.

    Were the reports of failure for the BD for the dmax exaggerated? I heard lots of bad info, but I did see BD step up and take care of problems.

    John

    On edit, I see you were asking about Dodge stuff....
     
  6. Dave@BD-Power

    Dave@BD-Power Well-Known Member

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    Yes the failures were minimal, but the Engineers from Borg Warner were prompt to fly in and rectify the issue. They did some extensive testing and came up with the following...


    For Immediate Release

    Media Contact:
    Brian Roth
    BD Diesel Performance
    (800) 887 5030


    BD DIESEL PERFORMANCE ANNOUNCES NEW TURBO OIL SUPPLY SYSTEM FOR GM DURAMAX DIESEL

    Engineers at Borg Warner’s AirWerks division and BD Diesel Performance recently completed an extensive LB7 Duramax diesel engine and turbocharger performance analysis.

    The test indicated that the S300’s flow-matching is superb for 6.6 liter Isuzu Duramax engines with modified fuel curves developing around 42 lbs. of boost. Under the right conditions with proper tuning, the engine is capable of delivering 550 rear wheel horsepower (rwhp) with exhaust gas temperature (EGT) in the 1200-1300 degree F range (with spikes of up to 1500 degrees F). The S300’s wheels and housings are properly matched, with good delta pressure ratios.

    Over the course of several trucks, it was discovered that, in some applications, the stock turbocharger oil supply meets minimal oiling for the Borg Warner S300 turbo (used in BD’s SuperMax kit). Further, oil coming from the camshaft oil gallery in the engine’s valley also picks up extra heat and any material from the cam bushings. Reported spun Cam shaft bushings that resulted in cutting off turbo oil supply and turbo failures were also confirmed.

    Because the SuperMax turbo system is designed for engines developing 550 rear wheel horsepower (far beyond what is considered a stock application) BD has found it beneficial to draw oil directly from the oil pump supply gallery to meet extreme performance and towing applications.

    Kits produced in June, 2006 include a new oil supply line (part # 1462328), which contains a check valve to ensure a quick supply of oil to the turbo right at engine start-up. Turbochargers sold prior to this date can be upgraded, and BD recommends this upgrade if the truck is used in high performance applications and/or run at high engine rpm/load conditions.

    BD Diesel Performance, (800) 887 5030; www.dieselperforrmance.com
     
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  7. Strokincowboy

    Strokincowboy Well-Known Member

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    using stock turbo cause its all i can afford
     
  8. RJF's Red Cummins

    RJF's Red Cummins TRC Staff Moderator

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    Still running an HY-35. I am trying to get enough money together to buy a low mileage used II Phat Shaft 62/14 but I imagine it will sell long before I have the cash in time.

    Probably will settle for a slightly larger HX35, but preferably I'd love to get an Industrial Injection Super Phat Shaft 62/14, I hear they are the cats meow.
     
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    Thanks for the response!
     
  10. SteveinAK

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    Stock for now... While it's being discussed: I use my rig as a daily driver and, of course, a tow rig. I have no plans for going crazy at the track and trying to get into the 12's or anything like that. My plan is to slowly add components a piece at a time, to eventually be in the 450 hp/800 tq range. Exaust is done. Gauges are next, after that I plan on adding the following in this order:

    -AEM Brute Force intake system w/ DryFlow filter
    -ATS Arc Flow
    -ATS Exaust Manifold
    -Quadzilla Xzillaraider (100 hp)
    -Aftermarket intercooler (haven't made up my mind on which yet)
    -Turbo (Single, one reliable for towing and daily driving, which ever will get this package into desired power range)
    -Injectors (which HP range, I don't know, but matched good for turbo)

    I would appreciate some suggestions on the above upgrades (which do you recommend) and will this combo work, especially if I do it a piece at a time? This will take a year or 2 to afford, so will any of the above be a problem with towing (for example, if I have everything done but turbo and injectors)? Thanks! Appreciate your advice!
     
  11. Dave@BD-Power

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    My comments may be a little bias to BD but for good reason, I really believe in our product, we have been doing this longer than most with the exception of maybe Banks. My comment may also be unfair to some of the manufactures you have listed.

    I would be happy to give you my "2 cents" via private message or preferable via our toll free number. I will say you are wise to do the injectors after the turbo upgrade and it is always better to do your upgrades in stages.

    Your stock turbo will run out of it efficiency range at the 60-80HP range, at that point you start to produce hot expanded air that can rob you of HP and over-spin the turbo. This does not mean your will damage your rig by running that tuner at 100HP, it will just not run at peak efficiency, watch your EGT gauge!!!!
     
  12. SteveinAK

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    Dave- You have a PM enroute. Thanks!
     
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    Well, for one if you are making 450HP you will be long past 800ft lbs, more like between 9-1000ft lbs.

    If you can't flow enough air, lots of fueling mods just hinder a truck because you are always backing out of it because of too much fuel.

    To get up to 450HP (thats a lot) you will need a TST PMCR with a Superchips flashpack downloader and an Industrial Injection 62/14 turbo. You don't even need sticks IMHO for that kind of power.

    High Tech Turbo and Industrial Injection's Phat Shaft line are awesome.
     
  14. wheelin66bronco

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    Stock but I just toasted my first one. How much heat does it take to melt the compressor side aFe intake rubber boot????
     
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    PDR HX 35/12 with a BHT3B/26 hanging below it..Better response than a single that would be sized to handle my fuel level...Towing our 9k travel trailer boost sits around 14-16lbs + and will jump to 20+ with just a touch of the go pedal..
    For me I will never use a single for towing and daily driving again..

    Rick
     
  16. Dave@BD-Power

    Dave@BD-Power Well-Known Member

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    I have heard decent results with PDR set ups, Piers is the man who designed those kits, I know him personally, he is a good man, he use to work for BD Power. Unfortunately he now longer works for PDR and is no longer in that industry.
     
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    rharveysr Well-Known Member

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    You know Piers...never count him out..He is still out there in the bushes..:D :D . I also am good friends with Piers and Lousie..great folks to sit around the dinner table with..

    Rick
     
  18. Dave@BD-Power

    Dave@BD-Power Well-Known Member

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    Oh I know piers, he will be back :stir: never had the pleasure to sit around the dinner table with him but definitly a good guy waytogo
     
  19. Seventy4Blazer

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    twins is what i want... but cash is not what i have... so... i dunno. i may end up buying the large turb for the twins setup, then when the time comes and money allows get the rest of it. i know it will be laggy though....
    Grant
     
  20. rharveysr

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    The bigger turbo as a single your egts will go up at towing speeds...It wont come into play until you are in the higher rpm range..It depends on your fueling..a hybrid might help for now until you run across the big turbo for the bottom end. Something like a BHT3B/26cm or a S400 which either one of these can be had for pretty cheap if you look around. When I am putting a set together I have been buying new Garretts(BHT3B's) from a company back east...for less than $600..These are new with all the parts and pieces..Here at the shop we have been know to piece the package together for a customer that is on a limited BOMB budget(Better off modified baby)..Over a period of time we order what he can afford and then once he has all his parts..then we put it together...
    Just a thought..

    Rick
     

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