Diesel Pros & Cons: 6spd vs. Auto

Discussion in 'Dodge 3rd Gen Cummins 5.9 (24v)' started by MTMike, Feb 25, 2005.

  1. RJF's Red Cummins

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    Let me try your attitude. I also drove an NV5600 around the block and it was so slow, having to shift and wait for the turbo to spool back up everytime, what a piece of garbage!


    Still, you had no way of testing the autos indurance nor did you use one day in and day out. Going on a test drive around the block with the used truck salesman doesn't count. ;)
     
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    I said the NV4500, thats what I have been told. I'm sure it's fine with a 5600.
     
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    What's all this about not towing in OD? I tow in OD all the time... :D
     
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    I have the nv4500 in my truck and there is no way that an automatic would live behind some of the loads I pull. I have seen to many autos struggle to pull a load that my manual would walk off down the road in 5th gear.
     
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    From what I've read (no first hand info) there are "Hot Shotters" running the stock DMax/Allison that haul at 20-30k gross (apparently legally?) day in and day out with no problems. And as I said before, my neighbor with the QC dually with stock Cummins and 4500 couldn't keep a transmission in it when it ran empty most of the time, and only towed a (roughly) 4k painting supplies trailer (he is a commercial painter) part of the time.

    My point is not that "manuals suck" or anything of the sort. But rather that they are both viable choices and that decisions should not be made based on global assertions that one or the other "sucks", but rather on what your current needs and goals happen to be.

    The Dodge autos have been known to have problems, but so have the manuals, and getting either of them "up to snuff" could easily run into thousands of after-market upgrades either way. GM Allison cost a grand up front for the upgrade, but holds up stock just fine, and the GM manual is known to have flywheel/clutch problems that cost a grand or more to correct. So I just don't see how anyone can look at the situation rationally and make those global assertions. It just comes down to preference and use for the most part.
     
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    And yeah, I have an NV4500.
     
  7. Tim

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    2003s are a weird animal, some can be 5 speeds, some 6 speeds, and with it, two different power outputs, etc. Salesman that sold me my truck has an 03 with 4500. They're anemic compared to the new ones he says, they need a turbo back exhaust and box to bring them up to spec. waytogo

    Towing in OD with nearly any HD manual is a non issue.

    My truck has the new G-56 transmission.

    Good luck, I drove 400 miles to drive one. It had 4.10s so I walked...glad I did, new one was actually cheaper if you figure the options I bought vs. the truck I looked at. Truck was an 04 and had 12k on it.
     
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    Oooohhhhhh....ok, that makes sence than. It was like that with the 01-02 trucks. Both the 4500 and 5600HO's were available, I was just under the assumption Dodge ended that with the 3rd gens. Thanks for the info. :pimp:
     
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    Nope, if you were unlucky enough to live in CA and bought an 03 you got an SO with NV4500 since they couldn't get the HO to pass smog regs here. Then in 04.5 they finally were able to get the HO in CA.
     
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    I had the same problem as the rest of you guys who wanted manuals. The salesmen just look at you like you pissed your pants or something. One guy tried as hard as he could to talk me into an Allison. I finally just had to say it's a matter of personal preference and no matter what anybody says I won't be happy unless I find a real transmission.
     
  11. Tim

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    rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

    If that didn't work, what would you do, drop your drawers and show him you had bigger balls than him and could handle banging your own? :pimp: :pimp:
     
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    When I called the guy on my Dodge I asked if it was an auto or manual and he's all "Ah it's a manual, sorry". I'm like NO! Thats a good thing! He couldn't believe it... :rolleyes:
     
  13. Tim

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    My salesman not only has a CTD with a 5 speed, he said he mostly orders trucks for people because other dealers will not even order a truck with a manual.
     
  14. RJF's Red Cummins

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    I don't understand how you guys had so many problems finding manuals. When I was looking for a CTD I found a bunch of HO's with the 5600. Infact, I had had my choice between this 2001 Red sport HO and the 2001 Red sport SO auto. I took the auto truck because it had the much sexier black leather, had 13K less miles, the HO was an early '01 with rear drums, it has stupid looking black fender flares, had the funky styled billet bumper inserts(they're outside the bumper), but most importantly I went home with an auto and not the super slow manual. :pimp:
     
  15. Tim

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    I just ordered a new truck and I got the sexy black leather, the manual trans, zero miles, and rear disc brakes without any extra work, rotfl
     
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    And your payment is a LOT higher than mine.;)
     
  17. Tim

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    Actually, I think my payment is probably going to be lower than yours considering the downpayment I'm making, and 2 years from now, my payment will be ZERO.
     
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    I highly doubt that, since I paid for half of my truck with cash.
     
  19. Tim

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    waytogo Well I'm proud of you bobby. If you wnat to start a topic on how you paid for your truck, go ahead. Let's keep this one on topic as much as possible.;)
     
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    Going OT here...
    I applaud both of you. <clapping> Too many people in too much debt, especially for vehicles and houses. Like you, I paid off over 1/3 of my truck and 1/2 my wife's GTP when I bought them, and doubling payments till paid for. 2004 car almost paid for and '02 HD paid for in about 1.5 years (edit: from the day I bought it). I hate paying interest, only thing I owe substantially on is my house and I'm paying extra against the principle with every payment (after huge down). My neighbor who had the troublesome CTD was "upside down" and wound up having to transfer debt to his new Tacoma <shaking head>.

    And it's not TOO far OT since initial purchase cost is one of the BIG cons of diesel...
     
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