Hate to tell you all this but the 6.4 TT MIGHT be pushed back another year they are having so many problems with it ford wont even approve it yet and you basically have to pull the cab to do any work on one, I personally being a 6.0 L mechanic LOVE THEM (except in a e-series) I was raised on 6L at my job and couldnt be happier they are easy to work on and easy to diagnose, I dont see a problem running a chip on one, I have see quite a few come in with them and they seem to be great, Head Gaskets YES problematic Turbos YES problematic, EGR PITA but when they run good and are driven RIGHT they are beast. Now with that said i Own a 99 F-250 with a hypertech programmer and a 4" dynomax turbo back and love it. I wouldnt give up my 7.3 for anything BUT the Power numbers that i have seen on the 6.4l look VERY VERY promising.
If I am not mistaken, all of the Big Three, Ford, Dodge, and Chevy have redesigned thier diesels to meet the new EPA regs. started 01/01/07. Ford went with the 6.4 over the 6.0 due to the fact that the new fuel, Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel will not only be cleaner burning, but, also cause a small percentage of power loss in WHATEVER is burning it. The changes made with the 6.4 design will compenstae for this. Not to mention the DPF addition, (diesel particulate filter). It is said that the air coming out of these engines will be cleaner then the air going IN, at least in California. From what I have read so far, Dodge will have the most horsepower available. Check out www.dieselpowermag.com for a lot of interesting information.
I DROVE A 6.4 L and if dodge can get more power than that damn they are amazing, i will give it to dodge if they can make more power, although its still a ford product engine they are putting in them rotfl
http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/....cfm?uuid=4C4DC616-FDBD-11D3-984A0004AC33EA57 Wow, I can't believe we are going down this 'Ford owns Cummins road' again. Strokerkid, do us all a favor and tell your friends.
2006 6.0 I now have 20.000 miles on my 6.0 and I am very pleased with it. Just checked everything out and still no oil leaks anywhere under it. It does a good job of pulling my 5th wheel.
I DONT GIVE A **** WHAT U THINK OR WHAT THEY SAY FORD OWNS 52% of cummins, I WORK FOR BOTH, i work at a big truck shop in cincy and we work on CUMMINS and FORD I know this for a fact so why dont u tell ur friends about it FORD IS A MAJORITY OWNER OF CUMMINS END OF STORY !!!!! OH BTW, what you said about the 6.0 not being able the pass emissions, dodge has had to pay a fine since 2003 for every truck they produce with a 5.9 WHY?? OH yeah they cant meet emissions with it so cummins is designing a new engine also so what u say is two fold IF THE 5.9 WAS A GOOD ENGINE THEY WOULD HAVE KEPT IT say bye bye to the 5.9, Id put a stock 6.0 up against a stock 5.9 any day and i will see u at the end!!!! THE ONLY 5.9 WORTH HAVING IS A 12 VALVE AND I STILL WOULDNT OWN IT
Listen Kid, Just because someone calls you out on some b.s. doesn't mean you have to throw a temper tantrum, you're acting like someone pooped in your lunch bucket. If it makes you feel any better you can think anything you want, but this topic has been beaten to death on this forum and countless others. If hearing it straight from the horses mouth isn't good enough for you, then I don't know what to say. Ford couldn't afford a box of crackers right now let alone a huge share in Cummins. I'm not even gonna get into your second comment.
What dont u get about the whole i work for them thing???What u posted is BS, They can tell consumers what they want but anyone working for them knows the truth, Im sorry for being a ass before but you had a attitude at the end of your last post also so i figured i would get one back, Why not go into my last comment cause im right ill pull a STOCK 5.9 around a building 50 times with a STOCK 6.0 yes 5.9 is a Easier engine to modify not all that better in my opinion, I asked 10 mechanics at my work just to see if i was wrong and i would have apoligized but no they all said 52% owned by ford even a mechanic who builds 5.9's for pulling tractors. What i am saying is i know this for a FACT!!! I WORK ON THEM DO YOU NO I DONT THINK SO. Not being a smart ass anymore just telling the truth
the local Ford dealership tried to sell me an 04 after I told him I ONLY wanter a 99-03 w/7.3, I told him he couldnt pay me to drive that truck. The guy had no clue why I would want a 6.0... I said I want to talk to somebody else
strokerkid you're being an idiot. Ford currently owns 0% of Cummins stocks. Cummins bought back all stocks from Ford in 1997. Look it up, its public record. ......I'm a HD Mechanic as well.
November 3, 2005 From: Powermaster Customer Assistance Center Cummins, Inc. Columbus, Indiana, USA 1-800-DIESELS (343-7357) TO: FordCummins.com Thanks for your Email message. Ford does not own any portion of Cummins Inc.. Currently, the Dodge/Cummins and the Ford/Navistar agreements are set for the next several years, and no announcements have been published that we are aware of, by either company, to change engine suppliers. We would not expect GM to use Cummins diesels in their pickups, since they are affiliated with Detroit Diesel, which is one of Cummins major competitors. Ford does NOT own any portion of Cummins. In 1994, Ford purchased 10% share of Cummins stock and currently uses Cummins B5.9 and C8.3 engines in their F-series trucks, larger than F550. Ford uses the Navistar Power Stroke engine in their pickups, that are F550 or under. However, as of January 1, 1997, Cummins purchased back all of the original shares from Ford, therefore Ford no longer has any direct financial connections with Cummins. However, Ford still purchases some Cummins engines and are considered a very good Cummins customer. For information about Ford, we suggest you see Ford's website: http://www.fordvehicles.com/
Let's all agree on this... The Big three are all doing pretty well with their trucks that have diesel motors in them. As always people are going to be more partial to a particular brand. Espically if they are driving that truck, if they didn't then they are not defending their decision to purchase their current truck. Unless a driver has had a personal bad experence with a particular brand then it is just gossup. Truth of the fact is with the price of diesel rising you will probably see more trucks up for sale, no matter what the brand. (NOT MINE) If anyone looks in the classifides they will find used trucks of the current year with little to no mileage on them from all three manufactures. Makes you wonder why doesn't it? The only thing that I can honestly say is that Ford Motor Company outsells Chevrolet and GMC combined as well as Dodge. Look at the Fleets around your town. It doesn't matter if ford has better prices that the others because if the maintence is that great then look at the mess that your tax dollars are paying for. Write your city official and ask them why they choose more Fords that any other? Look at the RV industry on Class C motorhomes what Brand do you see... FORD. When you get to the bigger RV'S then they use the Freight liner Workhorse chassis with a Cummins or Cat motor, where is the D-Max?? Or look up the sales numbers the proof is in the facts. Ok some of you will say that the 6.0 Ford is the worst out there, however when you out sell the other manufactures then you might have some problems due to mass production. The 6.0 might have some problems, but what about Dodges and Chevys Horrible BRAKES Before their current model platforms. Also what about the use of a Gas engine converted by General Motors into a Diesel?? Lets just accept the fact that all three Manufactureswith their diesel engines can move mountains. If you want a real discussion why is it that Toyota, and Honda engines can go practically forever with minimal maintence, I don't get it even if their not diesel powered. This is a great forum that is fun to blog on. I hope that I can see some of you on the roads and wave as we pass each other. Lets have fun with all of our trucks.
"If you want a real discussion why is it that Toyota, and Honda engines can go practically forever with minimal maintence, I don't get it even if their not diesel powered." i hear that man if our companies made cars that run liek that that long i dotn think the big 3 would be laying 10's of thousands off yearly its really a bunch of b.s......ive never ownrd a jap car or truck and as far as i know i wont but i do have to say alot of our usa brand cars are junk period and have been that way for a long time imo. im not really old enough to know how the3y ran back in the 50's 60's and early 70's but alot of the guys i talk to that are in that age range say there is no comparison...ya they have smaller motors making more horsepower and more efficient now but they say the cars just dont last that long and i can say i have seen that myself. also did any of you see the test they did with front impact collisions. they had a bunch of new cars going up against a older escort with a real bumper on it gee guess who came out ahead on that. and the tests that i had seen were around 15 mph and under. and the lil escort was just fine from what i remember and the new cars had minimum of 500 damage on them every tiem....think i got off track of the tread there a lil during my rant sorry
Well, i dont know nearly as much as other people on this site, but i have to say that stroker kid is just ignorant. FORD does not own any portion of CUMMINS, especially not over half of it. Besides, shut up about working at a dealer, every dealer i have been to are a bunch of jackasses who dont know anything about diesels anyway. as far as the 6.0 towing the cummins. good luck with that one. its cool to stick up for what you have and all, but dont think you are some big shot, just because you work at a ford dealership, there are clearly other guys on this site who know a lot more than you do.
