New 6 speed Allison for 2006

Tim,

I accidently Edited your post. I am very sorry and feel like a COMPLETE pin head.

 

That was three years ago when we had that talk. I quit DD'ing my K5 Last December of '04.

Thats the difference between bombing an auto truck vs a manual. It's not all that hard of a process, you call ATS or DTT and tell them you want one of their trannies, you then pay for it and get it installed, and forget about it. It's not hard.

If you run any kind of decent box, like that TS thingy you got, you should be able to smoke the stock clutch. I'm sure you can just have Dodge warranty another clutch for you since it's a new truck but that doesn't fix anything. In the end you cant make big power either without issues just because you have a metal pole between the seats and a third pedal. You'll wind up leaving the engine stock to save the clutch or eventually shell out for a hi performance clutch. Yes the stock auto sucks, but at least once you shell out the fortune for a bombed version it should be done with and you're only left with EGT's holding you back.

 

Wow! waytogo

 

The problem isnt that they blow up behind bombed motors, they blow up in stock trucks. You say the problem is that the cummins is to low RPM to pump adequate pressure in another post, well, why do the V-10 guys grenade them in under 100K miles? Stock, its a weak trans, plain and simple. Not strong enough for the Cummins or 8.0 V-10. Upgraded they are fine, but you have to pump money into them to make them decent. Manual is the way to go strength wise, if you are staying stock. If you are going to bomb, your going to sink money into either trans, might as well get the auto.

Im not a fan of auto's myself, but they have their place and advantages. They can be nice to tow with if its hilly or your are in heavy traffic, manuals get old. They keep boost up when shifting, and are generally smoother. They just arent my cup of tea.


Oh, BTW, just about 230K miles on my orriginal TH700-R4 in my diesel K5.waytogo

 

Honestly, I don't own manuals because I think autos are unreliable, even though some (especially Dodge) ARE. I own manuals because I just prefer to drive it, and for a long time i've been preaching that it is preference. It is my preference to drive a manual, and if they stop offering new trucks with them, I'll stop driving new trucks.

That said, Chrysler autos are absolute junk. They just can't hold up to the torque, like Joez said, and not even a stock truck. The Allison hasn't proven itself to be bulletproof but it's a hell of a lot better than the 47/48RE. The new Ford trans I haven't heard much about, but those things have enough engine issues that I guess it doesn't matter what trans you get, and the 4R100 had all kinds of problems behind the 7.3.

As to my truck and BOMBing it, the stock clutch, etc. My truck is going to have a dual mass flywheel and clutch assembly worth over $2000. The transmission is new and unproven. I wanted an NV 5600 truck but I waited too long to order and got stuck with this G-56. I feel like a sucker but we shall see how it turns out. It's sad that none of the big 3 even make what I want anymore.

 

Mine might end up being a piece of junk, who knows, it has this new transmission in it with a dual mass flywheel and reverse is in the wrong place. rotfl

As the the 46/47/48RE, I'd say they're known to be problematic even more than the 700R4, and despite the fact that your 700R4 lasted 200,000....when you took it out.....I noticed, you didn't put one back in, either!!!!!

 

Well I guess we have just seen different exapmles then. My neighbor has a V10 auto truck and pulls with it every year at all the local pulls and has all the current upgrades for the V10, and not one problem with his 47RE. I am in a local 4x4 club and half the guys have lifted Cummins dodges (all autos)and out of about 7 guys, only two have had trans problems. One guy blew the input shaft apart and the other guy keeps blowing 47RH's up one after another but he is making over 700HP on nitrous and propane. I just haven't seen very many failures with this transmission, a few that are modified, but non that are stock have had problems with the local boys I know.

 

You don't preach about your preference, you preach about how everything else is junk, except what you like.

Instead of preaching about how terrible the autos are when you haven't even owned one, preach about how you like the 6spd manual and thats your choice. You'd be suprised at the positive responses you would get if you posted with a positive attitude yourself about what you like, instead of a negative attitude about everything you hate.

 

Said the pot to the kettle.

 

I was thinking the same thing, until I reread it, and he does make a point in there somewhere.

 

I know, but I couldn't resist.

 

I haven't owned ANY Diesel powered pickup, EVER. By your thought process, I shouldn't voice ANY opinion on ANY Diesel related matters until next Tuesday.

That said, what you said isn't true anyway. I don't preach that everything I don't like is junk. I don't care for IFS Chevys at all. You don't see me going around here saying the Duramax or the Allison are junk. The Duramax is a fine engine, the Allison is overrated but certainly not junk. I wouldn't own either of them but that doesn't mean I'm going to say they're junk.

 

You have definantly talked about how you think all Chrysler autos are junk. Whats the difference from one part to the other? If you have never had any experience with a given part in question how would you know if it's good or not?

 

The experiences of others are not valid? It's a pretty well known fact that Chrysler had a real hard time making a good automatic trans for a long time.

 

Bingo.

Before I worked for the post office (which I do now) I worked at an auto shop that rebuilt auto trannies. I did all the lesser work, and my boss pretty much did the tranny work.

I've seen all of a Chrysler automatic that I need to see, thank God it was someone else's. rotfl

 

I find it funny how Tim is calling stuff Junk while Bobby is claiming that he has not heard the same thing.
I am not saying one or the other is correct. My point is that the advent of the internet with these forums on it has created a better informed mass that sometimes has a tendency to blow things out of proportion. For instance

I hear of guys limping the Allison tranny all of the time over on dieselplace. These guys are the ones running 100 hp tunes on a stock tranny. It is well known that the Allison can only handle so much torque before it slips in certain gears. All of this info doesn't point to the Allison being a pile of junk but it does say that it has a point where it needs help to live.

Now for the kicker, If it wasn't for that site or ones like this I would not even know about tuners and limping the tranny. These sites have turned local into the entire country not our limited little area that we actually live in.

A person can read about some random guy in Cali having the same problem as he is with his truck and discuss that problem. Now all of the sudden ten other guys jump in and have heard of it or have the same problem. Is this a fair sampling to say somthing is junk or has problems?

I perosnally don't think so simply because you are getting a highly concentrated sampling of the entire population of the country.
So lets say that Dodge has 1,000 trucks go out this year that have a snap ring installed wrong in the tranny. Guys like Tim get this truck and use it for say 5,000 miles and start having gear syncro. problems. The dealer can't find the problem because you have to look real hard to see said snap ring. Tim gets on the internet and reads about 300 other guys that are having the same problems. The collective mass decide this new tranny is junk.

The reality is that less than 1% of these trannys are "junk" but Guys like Tim are now convinced that they are all junk because that is the way his mind works.

In reality are these tranny bad probably not but because we can read about a bunch of failures in one "small spot" we think it is.

My long winded and rambling point is that just because we read it on the WORLD WIDE INTERNET doesn't make it true.

 

Yes, but be careful towing or hauling the said "Salt" do to unproperly set up suspensions or ... (Ok, lets not go there) rotfl

 

I've been meaning to check out the WWI, I hear it's even better than the WWW.

The TV once told me that Dodge trannies suck, does THAT make it true? TV has never lied to me before.

 

You think you are a funny man. Okay maybe you are.